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Is it just crap this year?
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Author:  Spaulding [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:18 pm ]
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I'm looking over the records and event the teams with good records I wouldn't call good.
Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:19 pm ]
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It's all parity.
Author:  Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:25 pm ]
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Sure has felt that way. The big problem seems to be the prime-time games. When they are so freaking bad, as they have been, it just gives that perception of crap. I also think injuries to key players have been a big impact this year to the quality of play.
Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:34 pm ]
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You wouldn't call the Broncos or Seahawks good? That's silly.
Author:  Spaulding [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:12 pm ]
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dunno, I don't watch much and my hatred of Pete Carroll and Manning prevent me from saying positive things.
Author:  Regular Reader [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:13 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
You wouldn't call the Broncos or Seahawks good? That's silly.


They are both heavily flawed. Their flaws are easily exposed in the regular season. There hasn't been a great (or really good) team in this league since the '95 Cowboys....or my '09 Saints :wink:
Author:  Spaulding [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:19 pm ]
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YEAH!!!!!
Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:49 pm ]
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Regular Reader wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
You wouldn't call the Broncos or Seahawks good? That's silly.


They are both heavily flawed. Their flaws are easily exposed in the regular season. There hasn't been a great (or really good) team in this league since the '95 Cowboys....or my '09 Saints :wink:

That's just ridiculous.
Author:  good dolphin [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:59 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
You wouldn't call the Broncos or Seahawks good? That's silly.


Seahawks are a Jekyl and Hyde team when they go on the road. However, it doesn't look like they will have to go on the road until the SB.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:20 am ]
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The Seahawks are banged up and the Broncos have a pretty average to bad defense.


And they still stand out as the best teams



Mediocrity. Any team can win any game.
Author:  Psycory [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:48 am ]
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It's parity + injuries.
I blame the Thursday night games because it's easy to do so.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:54 am ]
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Psycory wrote:
It's parity + injuries.
I blame the Thursday night games because it's easy to do so.

I wonder if the offensive themed rule changes contribute to the parity?


The QB play is certainly a lot better than it was 10 years ago
Author:  Psycory [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:58 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Psycory wrote:
It's parity + injuries.
I blame the Thursday night games because it's easy to do so.

I wonder if the offensive themed rule changes contribute to the parity?


The QB play is certainly a lot better than it was 10 years ago

I could buy that, they all feed into each other.
QBs get injured more means second/third string get more quality snaps, they get better, offenses get better.
Author:  Brick [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:19 am ]
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Spaulding wrote:
I'm looking over the records and event the teams with good records I wouldn't call good.
It's by design. The NFL basically wants every game to be a series of coin flips.

While I still like the NFL better, this is one of the things that is much better in college football. The good teams are really good, and the bad teams are really bad. I wish there was less parity in the NFL. Rooting for the Bears has been like eating at Subway. It's kind of good but mostly unfulfilling.
Author:  pittmike [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:34 am ]
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I go opposite from Rick. I think the parity for the most part helps the league as a whole. It is better that unless there is some major screwing up in any given 2-3 year window you can see the team you love do well. There is still good quality. This is why I do not like the modern NBA all that much. One team or just a couple of stars render most teams meaningless for 5 years or more.

PS. I really do think however that the handcuffs on the defense are way over the top.
Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:53 pm ]
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Spaulding wrote:
my hatred of Manning.


you a communist or something?
Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:44 pm ]
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Giants have gone from 300-1 to win the Super Bowl this season to 50-1 in 3 weeks. They get a Rodgers-less Packers team next week, DC FC twice, @Chargers, @Lions, Seahawks at home.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:56 pm ]
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Yeah, but who didn't see the Magnificently Classy New York Football Giants turning it around? A team run by such august gentlemen would never be that bad all year long.
Author:  Colonel Angus [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:15 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
You wouldn't call the Broncos or Seahawks good? That's silly.


They are both heavily flawed. Their flaws are easily exposed in the regular season. There hasn't been a great (or really good) team in this league since the '95 Cowboys....or my '09 Saints :wink:

That's just ridiculous.

Eh, I kind of agree w/ the old man. While both are good, neither is close to dominating/great. We'll see how Denver handles KC this week.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:35 pm ]
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I don't know about questioning Denver. They've scored forty plus in like four out of eight games, and I don't think any defense has figured them out yet. They go against a really good defense in KC next, but if Denver manages to start out something like 14-0 or 13-3 through TOs or whatever, I don't see KC scoring enough to come back.
Author:  Darkside [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:40 pm ]
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Broncos minus Manning are going to be crummy.
Hopefully, he won't be injured badly or for long.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:42 pm ]
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I'd agree that the NFL encourages parity, but I wonder if parity is also the inevitable consequence of a football league. Unlike the other major sports, to me football seems the most "open" in that you can coach up pretty much anyone with the minimal skill set and mental makeup to throw, catch, or run with a football, and the same for some positions on defense.

As evidence I'd point to several NFL stars who were either undrafted or were late, late round picks. I'm 100% sure there is no Tom Brady or Kurt Warner of the NBA, meaning undrafted or late round draft pick afterthoughts who went on to set records for their positions and lead teams to several championship games, and the same may be the case for the MLB and NHL.

So because more ordinary guys (i.e. mediocre prospects to those not even considered as prospects) are capable of playing good football than they are other major sports, I think that adds to the lack of team or player dominance in the NFL: most everyone is or can be on equal footing.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:31 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
I don't know about questioning Denver. They've scored forty plus in like four out of eight games, and I don't think any defense has figured them out yet. They go against a really good defense in KC next, but if Denver manages to start out something like 14-0 or 13-3 through TOs or whatever, I don't see KC scoring enough to come back.

History is not kind to teams that win a lot of regular season games with big offense. Eventually, they're gonna have to stop somebody
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:32 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
I'd agree that the NFL encourages parity, but I wonder if parity is also the inevitable consequence of a football league. Unlike the other major sports, to me football seems the most "open" in that you can coach up pretty much anyone with the minimal skill set and mental makeup to throw, catch, or run with a football, and the same for some positions on defense.

As evidence I'd point to several NFL stars who were either undrafted or were late, late round picks. I'm 100% sure there is no Tom Brady or Kurt Warner of the NBA, meaning undrafted or late round draft pick afterthoughts who went on to set records for their positions and lead teams to several championship games, and the same may be the case for the MLB and NHL.

So because more ordinary guys (i.e. mediocre prospects to those not even considered as prospects) are capable of playing good football than they are other major sports, I think that adds to the lack of team or player dominance in the NFL: most everyone is or can be on equal footing.

I have to disagree. It's the Cap and the slotting system. Its set up to keep talent equal and it does it's job.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:35 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I'd agree that the NFL encourages parity, but I wonder if parity is also the inevitable consequence of a football league. Unlike the other major sports, to me football seems the most "open" in that you can coach up pretty much anyone with the minimal skill set and mental makeup to throw, catch, or run with a football, and the same for some positions on defense.

As evidence I'd point to several NFL stars who were either undrafted or were late, late round picks. I'm 100% sure there is no Tom Brady or Kurt Warner of the NBA, meaning undrafted or late round draft pick afterthoughts who went on to set records for their positions and lead teams to several championship games, and the same may be the case for the MLB and NHL.

So because more ordinary guys (i.e. mediocre prospects to those not even considered as prospects) are capable of playing good football than they are other major sports, I think that adds to the lack of team or player dominance in the NFL: most everyone is or can be on equal footing.

I have to disagree. It's the Cap and the slotting system. Its set up to keep talent equal and it does it's job.


I don't disagree, but at the same time I don't think my opinion and the bit about the cap system are mutually exclusive.

My point is there is rare talent in the NFL at all positions, but at the same time since football is an easier sport to break into as opposed to others, the fact that more players can be coached up to excel is one more reason why teams seem to be so evenly matched.

For example, my team may not be able to sign three future HOF players in their prime at the QB, WR, and RB spots - since the system is designed to prohibit that kind of talent grab - but I can very likely find a WR or RB on my own in the 5th or 6th round, or even off the street, and coach him up to be a perennial All Pro, or even a HOFer. That has happened several times, and Arian Foster is one example off the top of my head.

The NBA has also tried to prevent talent monopolies in several ways, one of which is incentivizing free agents to stay with their current team, but what partly explains the predictability of NBA competition is the makeup of the players - there are no from streets to glory stories in that league, because if you're not supremely athletic and over 6'3, you're not likely to become a difference maker. That isn't true in the NFL, where stud players can and often do come out of nowhere, which is partly why it seems every team has a shot each year.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:43 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I don't know about questioning Denver. They've scored forty plus in like four out of eight games, and I don't think any defense has figured them out yet. They go against a really good defense in KC next, but if Denver manages to start out something like 14-0 or 13-3 through TOs or whatever, I don't see KC scoring enough to come back.

History is not kind to teams that win a lot of regular season games with big offense. Eventually, they're gonna have to stop somebody


Also, I'm not sure if Denver has what we'd call a bad defense. To be sure, the stats alone don't paint a rosy picture, but I'd say 75% of all those yards teams have gained on Denver have come as a result of trying to erase multi-TD deficits. When you put a team down by 2 or more scores as Denver has done countless times this season, you're going to force the opposing team to throw all day. That results in yards and scores, but in the end all those stats are meaningless since much of it happened during garbage time.
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