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Theres probably only a few of us old salts who can speak halfway knowledgeably on the subject for having seen both play but for those that did, this is a pretty easy call. Id take McMahon over Cutler anyday of the week. Reason, no need to bring Sid Luckman into this ok?

McMahon was a real leader. Smart, had a better arm then people gave him credit for, because he did throw many wounded ducks, but McMahon knew how to win games, which is the whole point.

It's the reason why coaches kept signing him, you wanted the guy on your team.

bigfan wrote:

So he was basically the opposite of Cutler?

Both seem like they would have fit in well at Wrigleyville bars in their day

bigfan wrote:

So he was basically the opposite of Cutler?

I just get sick of hearing the whole Cutler is the best qb in Bears history thing all the time. Based on what?

leashyourkids wrote:

bigfan wrote:

So he was basically the opposite of Cutler?

I just get sick of hearing the whole Cutler is the best qb in Bears history thing all the time. Based on what? Douglass had a better arm, McMahon was a better leader, fucking Erik Kramer would put up the same numbers throwing to Marshall and Jeffrey. Hell, he hasn't even had a better year than what his back up put up last year. Guess Im not smart enough to see he's the best the Bears have ever had.

Douglass had a better arm

I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time?

jimmypasta wrote:

I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time?

16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00

jimmypasta wrote:

I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time?

16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00

jimmypasta wrote:

I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time?

16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00

Bucky Chris wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time?

16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00

The number of 4th-quarter comebacks is the lamest stat out there. If he's so good, his team shouldn't be losing after 3 quarters.

Bucky Chris wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time?

16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00

That is about what you'd expect for his amount of games played. It looks like a lot until you compare them to other players who are not "clutch" like Romo or Ryan.

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Bucky Chris wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time?

16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00

The number of 4th-quarter comebacks is the lamest stat out there. If he's so good, his team shouldn't be losing after 3 quarters.

Unfortunately, Cutler doesn't play defense or special teams. Or catch the ball. Or take hand-offs. Or block.

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Bucky Chris wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time?

16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00

The number of 4th-quarter comebacks is the lamest stat out there. If he's so good, his team shouldn't be losing after 3 quarters.

Unfortunately, Cutler doesn't play defense or special teams. Or catch the ball. Or take hand-offs. Or block.

He does however, throw interceptions.

badrogue17 wrote:

He does however, throw interceptions.

Luckman threw 132 interceptions, FWIW.

Bucky Chris wrote:

badrogue17 wrote:

He does however, throw interceptions.

Luckman threw 132 interceptions, FWIW.

True enough. You think that Cutler is the best the Bear has ever had?

badrogue17 wrote:

I just get sick of hearing the whole Cutler is the best qb in Bears history thing all the time. Based on what?

If Cutler is the best QB in Bears history, then Tony Romo is the best QB in Cowboys history.

I feel like this is a back door shot at Troy Aikman

rogers park bryan wrote:

I feel like this is a back door shot at Troy Aikman

Statistically, they aren't close.

That is the problem with using statistics from the past to now.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Sunday Night Fights : McMahon was better than Cutler
Theres probably only a few of us old salts who can speak halfway knowledgeably on the subject for having seen both play but for those that did, this is a pretty easy call. Id take McMahon over Cutler anyday of the week. Reason, no need to bring Sid Luckman into this ok?

Author:	pittmike [ Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:03 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Theres probably only a few of us old salts who can speak halfway knowledgeably on the subject for having seen both play but for those that did, this is a pretty easy call. Id take McMahon over Cutler anyday of the week. Reason, no need to bring Sid Luckman into this ok? Pretty similar actually. Not in so called talent on the scouting sheet but gunslinger like Stabler. Until Jay wins its Mac.

Author:	bigfan [ Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:49 pm ]
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McMahon was a real leader. Smart, had a better arm then people gave him credit for, because he did throw many wounded ducks, but McMahon knew how to win games, which is the whole point. It's the reason why coaches kept signing him, you wanted the guy on your team.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:51 pm ]
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bigfan wrote: McMahon was a real leader. Smart, had a better arm then people gave him credit for, because he did throw many wounded ducks, but McMahon knew how to win games, which is the whole point. It's the reason why coaches kept signing him, you wanted the guy on your team. So he was basically the opposite of Cutler?

Author:	bigfan [ Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:51 pm ]
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Plus, my ultimate Button 48, gave me my first beer! Mooshead! Took the cap off with his teeth, from the cooler in his car, under the North stands after a game where the players used to park! Maybe I was 13? lol Then Rickey Watts walks by and says to mcMcahon, "got one for me....?" McMahon says "Nope"

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Author:	bigfan [ Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:53 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote: bigfan wrote: McMahon was a real leader. Smart, had a better arm then people gave him credit for, because he did throw many wounded ducks, but McMahon knew how to win games, which is the whole point. It's the reason why coaches kept signing him, you wanted the guy on your team. So he was basically the opposite of Cutler? McMahon owned the offense, he made sure nobody fucked up. He got in your face if you fucked up, but it wasnt to show you up, it was to make sure you didnt fuck up again and the players knew it. McMahon was famous for going to Dinner on Thursday nights with the OL and headbutting them during games. Legendary bad ass stuff.

Author:	pittmike [ Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:55 pm ]
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Yeah BF that was different time though. Ditka knew he had Mac and all was fine. Let him run a little out of the margins. Since coaches are more control. No McMahon these days.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:21 am ]
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Both seem like they would have fit in well at Wrigleyville bars in their day

Author:	bigfan [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:22 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: Both seem like they would have fit in well at Wrigleyville bars in their day McMahon had a bar (Now Stanleys) and I have a bunch of stuff that was in there.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:23 am ]
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leashyourkids wrote: bigfan wrote: McMahon was a real leader. Smart, had a better arm then people gave him credit for, because he did throw many wounded ducks, but McMahon knew how to win games, which is the whole point. It's the reason why coaches kept signing him, you wanted the guy on your team. So he was basically the opposite of Cutler? I just get sick of hearing the whole Cutler is the best qb in Bears history thing all the time. Based on what? Douglass had a better arm, McMahon was a better leader, fucking Erik Kramer would put up the same numbers throwing to Marshall and Jeffrey. Hell, he hasn't even had a better year than what his back up put up last year. Guess Im not smart enough to see he's the best the Bears have ever had.

Author:	Brick [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:27 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote: I just get sick of hearing the whole Cutler is the best qb in Bears history thing all the time. Based on what? If Cutler is the best QB in Bears history, then Tony Romo is the best QB in Cowboys history.

Author:	Bucky Chris [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:37 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote: leashyourkids wrote: bigfan wrote: McMahon was a real leader. Smart, had a better arm then people gave him credit for, because he did throw many wounded ducks, but McMahon knew how to win games, which is the whole point. It's the reason why coaches kept signing him, you wanted the guy on your team. So he was basically the opposite of Cutler? I just get sick of hearing the whole Cutler is the best qb in Bears history thing all the time. Based on what? Douglass had a better arm, McMahon was a better leader, fucking Erik Kramer would put up the same numbers throwing to Marshall and Jeffrey. Hell, he hasn't even had a better year than what his back up put up last year. Guess Im not smart enough to see he's the best the Bears have ever had. It's based on his stats.

Author:	Jaw Breaker [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:03 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Douglass had a better arm I think Vince Evans probably did too.

Author:	Hatchetman [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:08 am ]
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McMahon was only healthy for a very brief amount of time. like 83-85. he had shoulder problems and then was never the same guy.

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Author:	jimmypasta [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:12 am ]
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I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time?

Author:	Bucky Chris [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:16 am ]
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jimmypasta wrote: I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time? 16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00

Author:	jimmypasta [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:21 am ]
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Bucky Chris wrote: jimmypasta wrote: I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time? 16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00 Damn statistics! Seriously though,it seems when the stakes get higher,Jay does something stupid or maybe it's just perception.

Author:	Brick [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:29 am ]
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Bucky Chris wrote: jimmypasta wrote: I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time? 16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00 That is about what you'd expect for his amount of games played. It looks like a lot until you compare them to other players who are not "clutch" like Romo or Ryan.

Author:	Jaw Breaker [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:30 am ]
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Bucky Chris wrote: jimmypasta wrote: I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time? 16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00 The number of 4th-quarter comebacks is the lamest stat out there. If he's so good, his team shouldn't be losing after 3 quarters.

Author:	Bucky Chris [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:37 am ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote: Bucky Chris wrote: jimmypasta wrote: I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time? 16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00 The number of 4th-quarter comebacks is the lamest stat out there. If he's so good, his team shouldn't be losing after 3 quarters. Unfortunately, Cutler doesn't play defense or special teams. Or catch the ball. Or take hand-offs. Or block.

Author:	Bucky Chris [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:38 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Bucky Chris wrote: jimmypasta wrote: I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time? 16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00 That is about what you'd expect for his amount of games played. It looks like a lot until you compare them to other players who are not "clutch" like Romo or Ryan. Yea, I don't think he's anything super special late in games. It was more just to answer the literal question of what he has won in crunch time.

Author:	SomeGuy [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:42 am ]
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Bucky Chris wrote: Jaw Breaker wrote: Bucky Chris wrote: jimmypasta wrote: I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time? 16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00 The number of 4th-quarter comebacks is the lamest stat out there. If he's so good, his team shouldn't be losing after 3 quarters. Unfortunately, Cutler doesn't play defense or special teams. Or catch the ball. Or take hand-offs. Or block. The QB is the most important player on the field. He may not do all of things listed but he has some of, if not the most, influence on the game.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:42 am ]
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Bucky Chris wrote: Jaw Breaker wrote: Bucky Chris wrote: jimmypasta wrote: I'll go with Steve Fuller over Cutler. Fuller won a playoff game in a hostile Washington stadium. What has Cutler won in crunch time? 16 fourth quarter comebacks, 20 game-winning drives. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... r=CutlJa00 The number of 4th-quarter comebacks is the lamest stat out there. If he's so good, his team shouldn't be losing after 3 quarters. Unfortunately, Cutler doesn't play defense or special teams. Or catch the ball. Or take hand-offs. Or block. He does however, throw interceptions.

Author:	Bucky Chris [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:58 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote: He does however, throw interceptions. Luckman threw 132 interceptions, FWIW.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:29 pm ]
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Bucky Chris wrote: badrogue17 wrote: He does however, throw interceptions. Luckman threw 132 interceptions, FWIW. True enough. You think that Cutler is the best the Bear has ever had?

Author:	Bucky Chris [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:37 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Bucky Chris wrote: badrogue17 wrote: He does however, throw interceptions. Luckman threw 132 interceptions, FWIW. True enough. You think that Cutler is the best the Bear has ever had? I'm young enough where I don't have a personal view on it. But statistically, I think it's hard to argue any other way.

Author:	Brick [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:44 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: I feel like this is a back door shot at Troy Aikman Statistically, they aren't close. That is the problem with using statistics from the past to now.

Author:	FavreFan [ Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:49 pm ]
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Equating statistics from different eras is pretty dumb. I thought this was obvious. Unless we are saying Matthew Stafford is one of the best quarterbacks of all time.