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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:33 pm 
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Not even. There's been some good analysis today about the call and how Belichik not taking a timeout factored into it. Carroll figured he had a free play to give and could run the clock down more in the process, so he went with a surprise call when everyone was expecting run. If it worked, no one would be complaining today. Carroll was thinking in only binary terms, completion and incompletion. I'm sure the possibility of interception never entered his head at the time.

The defender made a great play. Had he not jumped the route like he did, it was a touchdown. Similarly, Seattle's linebacker made a great play to intercept Brady's interception #2 over the middle.

Carroll made a gutsy call at the end of the first half and it worked for a touchdown. When it didn't work at the end of the game, he's a big dope. Sure the obvious thing to have done was run Beast Mode, but the Pats would have stuffed the middle. Then what if he gets stuffed? Seattle's offense is in the same situation again, having to pass to win with no timeouts, which is what they tried to do on first down.

No, I think the Bears over the last couple of seasons have a lock on the worst play calls of all time. While many didn't like it, Carroll's decision was unfortunate but not irrational.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
Carroll was thinking in only binary terms, completion and incompletion. I'm sure the possibility of interception never entered his head at the time.

Then that was dumb. Come on, man, Woody Hayes!

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Carroll was thinking in only binary terms, completion and incompletion. I'm sure the possibility of interception never entered his head at the time.

Then that was dumb. Come on, man, Woody Hayes!


If he was thinking interception, then he would have been coaching scared like Trestman kicking the fieldgoal against Minnesota on 3rd down.


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it's magnified unfairly because it's the super bowl and had it worked, belichick would be the one getting the flack for not calling a timeout and preserving as much time as possible.


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W_Z wrote:
it's magnified unfairly because it's the super bowl and had it worked, belichick would be the one getting the flack for not calling a timeout and preserving as much time as possible.

I hate that play in general, for the exact reason of an INT. Usually not a direct INT, but the tipped ball, pops up in the air. Happens often enough on a regular play but even more so on a goal line play with the smaller field.

Vikings ran that pick play all the time with carter in motion on the goal line, but they always ran it to the outside.

Thats really the part that wasnt so smart, running a pass play to the middle of the field. forget the trips wide, you know the D line and LB's are focused on Lynch getting the ball and coming right at them, putting more d players in the middle of the field.

So many reasons not to run that play over a dozen other ones.

But thats the essence of being an OC in the NFL. You dont have time to think about the play. You are making the call on the next play before the ball is hiked, or you have limited it down to 2 or 3 plays, which are probably scribbled somewhere on a sheet of yellow paper in a garbage can. Would love to know what those other plays were.

In 23 years on Sports and Torts the question will be asked!!!!!!

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I had the Patriots + 6 on a teaser. So I was gonna win either way.

Still, that play left an empty feeling. It just felt bad for it to end that way. I really didn't care who won as long as I covered.

Belicheck fucked up. Should have let him score. Then he should have called a time out when Lynch didn't Score. They were gonna have no time left to get the game tied with a FG.

It worked out. But it was football stupid by the great Belicheck.


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Belicheck fucked up. Should have let him score. Then he should have called a time out when Lynch didn't Score. They were gonna have no time left to get the game tied with a FG.

It worked out. But it was football stupid by the great Belicheck.


Letting them score wasn't the no-brainer it would have been if Seattle only needed a FG to win.

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W_Z wrote:
it's magnified unfairly because it's the super bowl and had it worked, belichick would be the one getting the flack for not calling a timeout and preserving as much time as possible.


It's magnified completely fairly because it's the Super Bowl.

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Lets not overlook they were only down there because of a freak , lucky reception anyway. All things being equal, they probably weren't going to have any timeouts left if they don't complete that pass and have to run 3 or 4 more plays to get down the 5 as it was. They were playing with house money anyway.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Lets not overlook they were only down there because of a freak , lucky reception anyway. All things being equal, they probably weren't going to have any timeouts left if they don't complete that pass and have to run 3 or 4 more plays to get down the 5 as it was. They were playing with house money anyway.

Agree, think Butler was in on 3 of the last 4 plays. Had a PD before that, then the tip play, then lynch run,,then the pick...

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
W_Z wrote:
it's magnified unfairly because it's the super bowl and had it worked, belichick would be the one getting the flack for not calling a timeout and preserving as much time as possible.


It's magnified completely fairly because it's the Super Bowl.


the legion of boom gave up almost 400 yards of offense and 28 points. should that be magnified? like i said, they score a touchdown, and it's heroic. belichick looks like the fool.

would've been the same with sean payton in 2010. he gets to be called "gutsy" instead of an idiot because his players managed to pull off the play.


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Belicheck is a fool. He did fuck up. The fact that it worked out for him doesn't change that.


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Beardown wrote:
Belicheck is a fool. He did fuck up. The fact that it worked out for him doesn't change that.

Green Bay let Terell Davis score so Favre could get the ball back. How'd that work out for them? Holmgren an idiot for doing that?

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badrogue17 wrote:
Beardown wrote:
Belicheck is a fool. He did fuck up. The fact that it worked out for him doesn't change that.

Green Bay let Terell Davis score so Favre could get the ball back. How'd that work out for them? Holmgren an idiot for doing that?


In that situation Denver could of ran clock down and kicked a short fg for the win as they were tied.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Beardown wrote:
Belicheck is a fool. He did fuck up. The fact that it worked out for him doesn't change that.

Green Bay let Terell Davis score so Favre could get the ball back. How'd that work out for them? Holmgren an idiot for doing that?

No, that was the proper thing to do.

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it was a good call. if tressman made the call it would have been a bad call. but he didnt, so it was a good call.

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The Seahawks could of taken a knee and still some people would find a way to defend the call. Only idiots determine if a play call was awful or gutsy by it's outcome. Worst play call in Super Bowl history.


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