Seacrest wrote:
Randy Moss picked up many an NFL paycheck with a gun and a mask.
Funny thing is that I tend to find him much more insightful than virtually every other ex-jock studio analyst going now. Most of whom now use a gun & mask.
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Mike Martz |
Mike Martz upset Terrell Owens leaped over Rams greats for Hall consideration Terrell Owens is the second best WR to ever play the game. Stick up for your guys, fine. Just leave the rest of your dumb thoughts out of it. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14684 ... torry-holt Former Rams coach Mike Martz said it is "out-and-out ridiculous" that Terrell Owens is a Hall of Fame finalist over a pair of former Rams wide receivers. Martz told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that he doesn't understand why Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt haven't been given more consideration for enshrinement in Canton, Ohio, while Owens is a finalist in his first year of eligibility. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Moss better than T.O. and Larry Fitz and Calvin Johnson a couple others too.. You can't just look at numbers.. Was Emmet Smith the best back? Hell no |
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| Author: | Nas [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
312player wrote: Moss better than T.O. and Larry Fitz and Calvin Johnson a couple others too.. You can't just look at numbers.. Was Emmet Smith the best back? Hell no Completely agree. Owens is like a Tim Brown. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Nas wrote: 312player wrote: Moss better than T.O. and Larry Fitz and Calvin Johnson a couple others too.. You can't just look at numbers.. Was Emmet Smith the best back? Hell no Completely agree. Owens is like a Tim Brown. I would say Owens isn't even Tim Brown. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
TO is in no way the 2nd best WR ever. But he is way better than Holt and Bruce. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
RFDC wrote: TO is in no way the 2nd best WR ever. But he is way better than Holt and Bruce. Agreed. Do stats still count for guys that play most of their games under a dome? It doesn't seem fair. I think it's harder for outdoor WR to pile up the stat's. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
RFDC wrote: TO is in no way the 2nd best WR ever. But he is way better than Holt and Bruce. Jerry Rice Randy Moss too murky from there for me to care |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Top 5: Rice TO Tim Brown Andre Reed Art Monk Moss took too many games off mentally. TO may not have been all that interested in blocking, but when the ball came his way, his head was in it. Moss mentally checked out his last couple of years in Minnesota and that whole season in Oakland. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Moss is #2 no question about it. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Nas wrote: Moss is #2 no question about it. Should be number 1. Didn't show up to play consistently enough. Probably the most talented WR ever. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
sjboyd0137 wrote: Top 5: Rice TO Tim Brown Andre Reed Art Monk Moss took too many games off mentally. TO may not have been all that interested in blocking, but when the ball came his way, his head was in it. Moss mentally checked out his last couple of years in Minnesota and that whole season in Oakland. What? Terrible. No way in the world Moss is below those 4 guys. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
sjboyd0137 wrote: Top 5: Rice TO Tim Brown Andre Reed Art Monk Moss took too many games off mentally. TO may not have been all that interested in blocking, but when the ball came his way, his head was in it. Moss mentally checked out his last couple of years in Minnesota and that whole season in Oakland. Randy Moss picked up many an NFL paycheck with a gun and a mask. He should have been THE best ever. He chose not to be. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
sjboyd0137 wrote: Top 5: Rice TO Tim Brown Andre Reed Art Monk Moss took too many games off mentally. TO may not have been all that interested in blocking, but when the ball came his way, his head was in it. Moss mentally checked out his last couple of years in Minnesota and that whole season in Oakland. Moss may have been the single most gifted & occasionally spectacular player I've seen other than Bo. Despite his issues, I'd still take Moss, James Lofton & John Stallworth over those three. Brown and to a greater extent Reed & Monk seemed more one dimensional than the others. Great players, but not transcendental imo. I know Stallworth's numbers don't come close to the current guys but I've long thought he was the most underrated player of the Steelers and possibly the NFL in the 70's. He just had the odd misfortune of playing next to a ballerina in cleats & got ignored. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Seacrest wrote: Randy Moss picked up many an NFL paycheck with a gun and a mask. Funny thing is that I tend to find him much more insightful than virtually every other ex-jock studio analyst going now. Most of whom now use a gun & mask.
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Regular Reader wrote: Seacrest wrote: Randy Moss picked up many an NFL paycheck with a gun and a mask. Funny thing is that I tend to find him much more insightful than virtually every other ex-jock studio analyst going now. Most of whom now use a gun & mask. I agree. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Nas wrote: 312player wrote: Moss better than T.O. and Larry Fitz and Calvin Johnson a couple others too.. You can't just look at numbers.. Was Emmet Smith the best back? Hell no Completely agree. Owens is like a Tim Brown. Terrible thoughts. Considering the source of the thoughts, I'm not surprised. Cardinal rule in sports is you don't quit on your teammates. Give me Owens, you can take Moss, my team is going to win more games than yours. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Owens was a divisive bi polar unstable crybaby, I bet not a one of his former qb's even stays in contact with his stupid ass.. Moss had the best hands I've ever seen, better blocker than owens and faster and a better teammate. How did ya like that G S.- Spurs game? |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
I'm with Seacrest and RR. Moss was a gifted freak of nature and should be #1. TO is certainly in the same category, but showed more turd factor than Moss. 1. Rice 2. Moss too much of a drop off from there but agree that the list consists of Stallworth, Monk, Tim Brown. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Just like any lists they tend to leave heavily toward the present. There have been a lot of great receivers. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
wdelaney72 wrote: TO is certainly in the same category, but showed more turd factor than Moss. It's interesting to me that so many people feel this way. I couldn't disagree more. As a teammate, the most unforgivable thing you can do is give up on your team and teammates. TO was a bipolar, self-centered asshole, but he never did that once. Moss did it every single place he was including New England. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Rice Moss T.O. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
FavreFan wrote: wdelaney72 wrote: TO is certainly in the same category, but showed more turd factor than Moss. It's interesting to me that so many people feel this way. I couldn't disagree more. As a teammate, the most unforgivable thing you can do is give up on your team and teammates. TO was a bipolar, self-centered asshole, but he never did that once. Moss did it every single place he was including New England. It seems like most just remember the Culpepper to Moss highlight reel crap. I remember TO finishing the last part of that Eagles Super Bowl season on one leg. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Matt Forte is a top 5 all time receiver. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Colonel Angus wrote: Matt Forte is a top 5 all time receiver. Has Nas taken over this user as well? RIP Colonel Angus. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Regular Reader wrote: Colonel Angus wrote: Matt Forte is a top 5 all time receiver. Has Nas taken over this user as well? RIP Colonel Angus. Wait...that was Colonel Angus? I thought that said Colonel Anus. I think I need new glasses. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
How many good QBS did Moss play with? When he got 1 he put up video game numbers. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Yes sir, and Brady put up those most impressive numbers I've ever seen with that one year with Moss. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Martz |
Nas wrote: How many good QBS did Moss play with? When he got 1 he put up video game numbers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLR2aIOhAG8 |
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