Exhibit A that sucking for draft picks doesn't mean you will end up good. Especially since your best player (Irving) already wants out.



Report: Luol Deng shocked at mess that is the Cavaliers

Brett Pollakoff

When Luol Deng was traded from the Bulls to Cleveland, he was coming from the only team he had known in his nine-plus NBA seasons. His Chicago teams, especially under head coach Tom Thibodeau in recent years, have been the epitome of professionalism in pursuing winning above all else.

The Cavaliers, apparently, are the complete opposite.

Deng reportedly is shocked at some of the goings on in his new surroundings, the particulars of which are detailed by Mitch Lawrence of the New York Daily News:

As Deng recently told one close friend, “the stuff going on in practice would never be tolerated by the coaching staff or the front office back in Chicago. It’s a mess.”

Deng was brought in to help clean it up when he arrived in a deal for Andrew Bynum on Jan. 7. But since then, he’s seen players get thrown out of practice, take off their uniform tops at halftime and threaten not to play, mouth off to Brown and generally act like spoiled brats. …

There is no accountability, as Dion Waiters found out when he was kicked out of practice last week but still got his usual minutes against the Knicks.

Mike Brown may have done an adequate job when he had LeBron James on the roster during his first stint in Cleveland, but his personality is geared toward basketball more than it is charismatic leadership or taking on the role of a disciplinarian.

When things start to go bad on one of Brown’s team, they snowball to a level that gets out of control extremely quickly — which is exactly what happened when he was relieved of his duties as coach of the Lakers just five games into last season.

There are real problems with personalities in the Cavaliers locker room — Waiters is immature, and Irving lacks the level of star power to command enough respect. The accountability needs to come from the top, and it doesn’t seem like Brown or GM Chris Grant are able to get the players on the same page.

The good news for Deng is that he’s an unrestricted free agent once this season is finished. The Cavaliers, however, will be stuck with this mess moving forward unless the required changes are made, which seemingly need to take place at multiple levels of the organization.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

I think all this just adds up to Lou coming back! If the money he is looking at, becomes comparable to the what the Bulls are offering others, I bet he asks the Bulls to come back. I am not in favor of it, but I can see him doing it

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

I don't know if you guys heard about this but the Cavs literally lost to what amounted were 4 LA Lakers last night. I never heard of that happening before.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

oh no no no no NO.... please no. it's taken this team an eternity to even begin to move on from the "try hard bulls" of the 00s, let alone the "super try hard bulls" (+derrick) of recent vintage. bringing back LOLDENG, even on a relatively/sweetheart deal (he's looking for more than the MLE, right?) is just going to try to "get the band back together" and that means we'll have a grindy ~50something win team that has absolutely no chance when the proper tournament starts.

for the love of god, i know we're pretty much what the spanglish call "el fuckedo" and mantits-deep in what bernstein calls "NBA HELL" but can we at least TRY to do something different as opposed to the same blueprint that has failed for the last decade or so?

(now i'll sit back and wait for someone to reference that one heat series where LOLDENG showed us what he could be.... if only that damn derrick rose didnt show up and get handed the team causing luol to phantom-injury his way out of the now-legendary celtics series in 09/10/whatever)

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They never played with less than 5 though.

You are right but if the guy they let back in after fouling out committed any fouls,it was an automatic 4 shots for the Cavs. I never knew of this obscure rule.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I thought I heard fouls were just technicals

A guy on the SCORE (last night-forgot who) said 2 techs & two shots for whatever foul he committed. He did not foul though the rest of the game.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

70-49 LA at half...but Cleve says they are OK...

Crazy game....somehow Nash ended up in uniform....

5th guy fouled out, but have to play with 5! So he is in

FYI, Cleve -7 was the line!

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Right, the foul still counts (so 2 shots if it is a shooting foul, or if you are in the penalty), plus one additional technical-foul free throw.

I never heard of this rule. If I'm the Heat, I would never pull Lebron from a game he might foul out during. If it's an important playoff game, just leave him on the floor.

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It's only allowed in cases where another player is not available. Teams are not allowed to play with less than 5 players on the floor. All of the Lakers were injured and could not play.

But some guys were technically available. They should have made an injured guy come back in the game, or Nash could have went back to the locker room and dressed (he was technically active for last night's game, he received a DNP-Coach's Decision).

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if 5th player fouls out, he continues to play and his fouls are 2 shots and the other team retains the ball. (techs)

3:30 down 10 when this happened, So, now you are playing the backend of the Lakers bench...and one guy cant even touch you......

AND YOU LOST BY 11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

They weren't playing the back end of the bench. The Lakers only dressed 8 guys, and 3 left the game because of injury.

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nash did run back and dress...he ran in at 3:30 after the refs sorted it out and just left it alone.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

None of them were in uniform anymore.

When you have no players left, thats the backend.....cant go further back

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

A power play would be way better than boring ass free throws. I would watch.

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That's my purse! I don't know you!

Who gives a shit? Get out there in a suit, or go dress yourself.

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Just fired the GM.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."