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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:42 pm 
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He obviously isnt coming to the Bulls, but where do the NBA heads see him fitting?

Keep in mind 2 things:

1. Point guard is the deepest position in the league.
2. By electing not to have surgery on his maniscus CP3 seriously damaged his longevity in the NBA.

If Im a GM, I wouldnt touch him. Maybe in a three team deal where Im the team avoiding him.

It's sad, dude didnt want to have the procedure cus he thought the hornets were real contenders out west. He was the best PG in the league before his knee went out.

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I think the Knicks could fall back on him in a deal that would include Curry and Okafor. That would give the Hornets the cap relief they are looking for (Curry's contract expires next year) and the Knicks the star player they want. Even with the cap relief I can't imagine the Hornets doing that. I think CP3 will be fine going forward.

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I will defer to the NBA guys on the board for this but any chance of the Lakers doing a deal to give the Hornets some cap relief? I know that one of the biggest weaknesses on their team is Fisher but I also know that Big Chief Triangle's offense downplays the importance of the PG.

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I think he'll be decent moving forward. Not the same player, but formidable. The knee is a real concern Hov. CP3 in D'Antoni's system pre injury would've been trouble for every1 else to say the least.

The Knicks, the Heat, and maybe even his hometown Hawks could get him by moving Bibby. Or they could be mean and move him to Toronto.

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I will defer to the NBA guys on the board for this but any chance of the Lakers doing a deal to give the Hornets some cap relief? I know that one of the biggest weaknesses on their team is Fisher but I also know that Big Chief Triangle's offense downplays the importance of the PG.


The problem with the Lakers making any trades is they would have to give up one of the following: Kobe (no way), Gasol (no way+2), Odom, or Artest. After winning the trophy this year I dont know how much they're looking to move anyone. All four of those guys bring something special to the court.

Agreed D-Fish is on his last legs. The triangle made Gary Payton crazier by how little he was used. But this was an elder version of the Glove, so who knows how good a younger, arguable just as talented version of an elite PG would do in that system. Besides the washed up version of G.Payton, there has never been a top 10 point guard in that offensive set.

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The Lakers wouldn't be able to offer anyone cap relief.

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Idk if his ridiculously large contract is up, but T-Mac supposedly made it known he'd like to be a Laker. That would only work if he is an unrestricted free agent (I could see him taking a pay cut to play there). Considering LaLa's depth and his now limited game, he'd prolly be a 7th man on that team as well. With Lamar and T-mac leading the 2nd team I dont think a 4 peat would be out of the question the next two years.

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I don't trust T-Mac and he really doesn't have a choice when it comes to taking a huge pay cut. I believe he is a $2-3M player.

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But at 20 minutes a game max, I think he could help a contender. Poor guy. 2 or 3 years ago he was a top 5 player.

You think the Lakers would roll the dice on him Hov?

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Poor guy. 2 or 3 years ago he was a top 5 player.


Let's not start throwing any parades for T-Mac. He pretty much killed Houston with deciding to announce his surgery when he did and not tell his team anything. Along with his cousin he is the prime example of amazing stats player that will never win anything.

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No parades. Just actual sympathy. He is a tougher player than his cousin, but Im sure that is debatable. VC was the best player in the world for about 6 months. McGrady was a top 5 player for at least 5 years.

I really dont care that he bailed on that Houston team. None of us know how bad the relationship was between him and management. Wasnt Yao already hurt (Again) by that point? Btw, Tim Donaghy admitted in his book that the refs for that Houston/Utah series in '08(?) were told to call the series differently after game 3 or 4. Houston was playing the best basketball of the Ming/McGrady era before the refs started calling bullshit moving screens on Yao.

For a quick reference on how lethal T-Mac WAS see this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXlLib0Og-4

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one rumor they just mentioned on ESPN news was that the Nets were offering Devin Harris and the #3 pick for Paul. If I were NO I would strongly consider that


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one rumor they just mentioned on ESPN news was that the Nets were offering Devin Harris and the #3 pick for Paul. If I were NO I would strongly consider that


Oh hell yeah. Crazy fucking Russian owner. Bad moves from the jump.

Would you want CP3 on the Hawks Bagels?

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I would too but I don't think that's enough for CP3. It also wouldn't make a lot of sense considering the reason they would be open to dealing Paul is to get Collison on the court. They would only save a couple million based on the rookie scale too. Not enough savings or talent to trade CP3.

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one rumor they just mentioned on ESPN news was that the Nets were offering Devin Harris and the #3 pick for Paul. If I were NO I would strongly consider that


Oh hell yeah. Crazy fucking Russian owner. Bad moves from the jump.

Would you want CP3 on the Hawks Bagels?


Even if he isn't the best PG in the game he is no worse than top 3. That would be an excellent move for the Nets but a head scratcher for the Hornets.

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Who would NO take at 3? I mean they have a top 10 PF in West and also the Okafor/Armstrong tandem on the block, so I dont see them initially taking Cousins. After Wall and Turner, Cousins is hands down the best available.

Hova, I think u overvalue CP3 more than Phorokov, or w/e his name is. I could be really, really, wrong, but if Paul cant execute that nasty spin move with the same quickness Idk if he is as potent on the offensive end. Once again lemme say he was the best PG in the league before he got hurt. The drop off could be minimal, or it could be more than noticeable. PGs and bad knees dont usually mesh well together.

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Who would NO take at 3? I mean they have a top 10 PF in West and also the Okafor/Armstrong tandem on the block, so I dont see them initially taking Cousins. After Wall and Turner, Cousins is hands down the best available.

Hova, I think u overvalue CP3 more than Phorokov, or w/e his name is. I could be really, really, wrong, but if Paul cant execute that nasty spin move with the same quickness Idk if he is as potent on the offensive end. Once again lemme say he was the best PG in the league before he got hurt. The drop off could be minimal, or it could be more than noticeable. PGs and bad knees dont usually mesh well together.


You're assuming he can't do these things without seeing him play. I'm not overvaluing a player that is no worse than the top 3 PG in the league. Trading him for Devin Harris and a pick that has no place to play would be extremely silly. It wouldn't help their team. It would be a steal for Brooklyn.

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D-Harris is really good btw. He cant really shoot or play great D, but he is a plus at everything else. Unless he's extremely unhappy with the Nets, I dnt see much sense in trading him for a questionably healthy Chris Paul. Throwing in the #3 when you could get Cousins to solidlfy ure front line with Lopez just boggles my mind. The Nets need outside shooting worse than the Bulls after Gordon left. Pick up a shooter in free agency or draft a specialist early in the second.

Honestly tho, if ESPN is reporting hypothetical trades it prolly wont happen. When they say things like imminent and close to a deal, then its legit. Sometimes.

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Hov ure assuming Paul CAN still do these things without seeing him play as well. We cant predict the future, but it's cool to disagree on these things when we play message board GM.

I know ure part owner of the Nets Jigga, but please, get on the line with ure whore mongering owner and tlk him out of this trade when Cousins will fall to you at #3 (Maybe even Turner if Philly fucks up). Cousins is a monster, and was arguably just as good or better than J.Wall at UK.

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If the Nets get Paul, will they be out of the Lebron sweepstakes or will they still have the cap space to go after him?

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D-Harris is really good btw. He cant really shoot or play great D, but he is a plus at everything else. Unless he's extremely unhappy with the Nets, I dnt see much sense in trading him for a questionably healthy Chris Paul. Throwing in the #3 when you could get Cousins to solidlfy ure front line with Lopez just boggles my mind. The Nets need outside shooting worse than the Bulls after Gordon left. Pick up a shooter in free agency or draft a specialist early in the second.

Honestly tho, if ESPN is reporting hypothetical trades it prolly wont happen. When they say things like imminent and close to a deal, then its legit. Sometimes.


I'm not saying that he isn't a good player but he shouldn't be featured in any deal for a top 10 player. Mo Williams is a better player than Harris. IMO if Kirk Hinrich was allowed to shoot as much he could put up better scoring numbers. Would you trade Rose for Harris and the #3 pick? If not then there is noway that deal should be made for CP3 because he is the better player.

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If the Nets get Paul, will they be out of the Lebron sweepstakes or will they still have the cap space to go after him?


If they get Paul for that then they are right in the thick of things. IMO they would be better off than the Bulls. Paul is better than Rose and Lopez is better than Noah.

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Hov ure assuming Paul CAN still do these things without seeing him play as well. We cant predict the future, but it's cool to disagree on these things when we play message board GM.

I know ure part owner of the Nets Jigga, but please, get on the line with ure whore mongering owner and tlk him out of this trade when Cousins will fall to you at #3 (Maybe even Turner if Philly fucks up). Cousins is a monster, and was arguably just as good or better than J.Wall at UK.


I love Cousins. I actually think he is the 2nd best player in the draft talent wise. That being said I don't trust him with millions of dollars in his pocket. He was a major league asshole when he was broke. Guys like him may not last long in the league.

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They'll have the cap space regardless. Actually getting rid of the 3rf pick would help them even more. IMO getting Paul would help them in the LBJ sweepstakes. CP3 and Lebron are actually friends off the court.

Hopefully, Lebron would see that a questionable Chris Paul, Brook Lopez, and no bench whatsoever wouldnt beat at least a few teams out west in the finals. Depending on who Miami and Chicago land, they could have trouble getting through the east as well.

However... If LBJ and Amare or Dirk land in NJ as well, then I guess it's panic time for the rest of the league. FUCK!!! This could really mess with the Bulls chances in the Lebron lottery.

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I think the Bulls have a better bench than the Nets. Lopez is def better than Noah offensively, but no one on NJ could play D last year. Healthy Chris Paul is a notch above D-Rose, but poor man's Chris Paul would be hard to argue over the best young PG in the league. We'll have to wait and see.

Having Lebron on his team would alleviate a lot of the pressure Paul had to deal with in NO just to make that team competitive.

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J Dolla I think you are underestimating the roster of the Nets.

Yi Jianlian
Courtney Lee
Brook Lopez
Chris Douglas-Roberts

These are very talented young guys and they all make less than $10M combined. That's a nice core to build with. Add Chris Paul to that mix and that would be better than anything the Bulls have to offer.

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I think the Bulls have a better bench than the Nets. Lopez is def better than Noah offensively, but no one on NJ could play D last year. Healthy Chris Paul is a notch above D-Rose, but poor man's Chris Paul would be hard to argue over the best young PG in the league. We'll have to wait and see.

Having Lebron on his team would alleviate a lot of the pressure Paul had to deal with in NO just to make that team competitive.


Paul can shoot the ball and play defense too. Thursday night should clear a lot of things up. Very exciting time to be an NBA fan

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Ok I was gonna blast you for including Yi, but I checked my sources and he avg'd 12 and 7 last year at 23 years old. Plus his info page has him listed at 7 ft. I dont think he was that tall when he came over here from China, so that's an unexpected bonus. Ill give you that one. However, Courtney Lee isnt anything special, but he could be a pivotal 6th man. He seemed to know how to play in the playoffs with the Magic, and stepping ure game up in May and June is a must for a team aspiring to win rings. CDR is just courtney lee without a jumper. I liked CDR coming out of Memphis, but he's like a John Salmons type player who cant create his own shot. Maybe thats the thing with the Nets. They have all these guys that are so interchangeable. C-Lee, CDR, Terrence Williams, and even Jarvis fucking hayes earning a paycheck. Assuredly, there will be some cuts and dif signings to this roster, but I still think they'd need LBJ + another big name to compete with the Lakers, Denver (With some coaching stability), a healthy Utah, and Even the Zombie Sonics (Thank u sports guy) when Russell Westbrook figures out how to play PG. Trust me, no one is gonna want to play the OKC thunder for the next 10 years. If only they could snatch up a decent PF this offseason.

Id keep Yi, C-Lee, Terrence williams, and Kris Humphries and burn the rest if I were ure Russian buddy Hov.

Now comparing that to Hakim Warrick, the corpse of Brad Miller, James Johnson (Trust me he'll be better), Captain Kirk, Taj coming off the bench (If we sign a legit 4) and prolly Luol deng either traded or coming off the bench... Ill take the Bulls. It's not by much, but I'll take the Bulls.

To each is own my friend. Im excited to be an NBA fan right now as well. I want to see the Bulls make a few major moves, but I want to see the league as a better product as well.

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Paul can shoot the ball and play defense too. Thursday night should clear a lot of things up. Very exciting time to be an NBA fan


A good player never loses his jumper, but he wont be the same defensively. I can promise you that without seeing him play. It's cool tho J-Kidd hasnt been the same defensively since he got his knee scoped, but he's still decent.

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one rumor they just mentioned on ESPN news was that the Nets were offering Devin Harris and the #3 pick for Paul. If I were NO I would strongly consider that


Oh hell yeah. Crazy fucking Russian owner. Bad moves from the jump.

Would you want CP3 on the Hawks Bagels?


well of course I would...pretty much anything would be an upgrade over Bibby. Maybe they can do a sign & trade with Joe Johnson :lol:


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