My eye tells me that his team is 11 games under .500 and 5 1/2 games out of the last place spot in West.

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Well, I'm glad you can read, but that doesn't really tell you anything about Anthony Davis as a player.

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It would if you're attempting to assess his value. I wouldn't place a guy in the top 5 NBA players that has missed the playoffs 3 out of 4 years. He will miss the playoffs again by the way. If he is that good his team should be in the playoffs. Its not just about missing the playoffs. They are 11 games under .500 and that is the case even after winning their last two games.

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DEMARCUS COUSINS HAS NEVER MADE THE PLAYOFFS YOU FUCK!

Talking about how much better Cousins is over Anthony Davis and then you state it is because Anthony Davis misses the playoffs in a bunch of years.

Your crazy ass is going back two years to try to catch people on some hypocritical shit. You can't even go a month.

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So what do you feel about the following players:

John Wall
Porzingus
Anthony
Jabari Parker
Brook Lopez
Al Jefferson
Rondo
Cousins
Kobe
Harden
Wiggins
Rubio

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I'm a man that values his history you fool!

I don't think that I ever said that Cousins was better. I merely stated that their numbers were comparable and Cousins numbers may be a little better. I also don't have Cousins in my top 5 either. And the reason is that he never has made the playoffs.

You are the same dumbass that would rather have Michael Carter Williams as opposed to Derrick Rose. Why anyone would ever consider your opinions "credible" are beyond me. I didn't have to dig up two years worth of stuff on that one now did I?

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Not a fan of Rubio, Rondo, or John Wall. Wall is good but I don't care for his skill set. Can't knock his production, but I've never liked his game. The others are cool but the only one I'd place in my top ten would be Harden. He may be out next year as his ball stopping ways are hurting the team. Wiggins Cousins and Porzingus have top ten player ability but it has to translate to winning. Parker may someday creep in the top twenty but I don't ever think he will ever be a top ten guy. I'm a big fan of Porzingus. I think he will be a top 3 to 5 player by his 4th year in the league.

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Yes, I'd rather have MCW making $2.4M than Derrick Rose making $18.8M. You're damn right. Derrick Rose certainly isn't Top 5 as well.

I wouldn't trust Gar Forman or John Paxson with that $16.4M surplus...but a proper GM could use it to improve this Bulls team greatly.

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He is still on a rookie contract. That is why it is only $2.4 million dollars. regardless of money Michael Carter Williams is not very good. He was benched earlier this year for Journeyman Jarrod Bayless. You'd know that if you actually watched games. He is a career loser that will be a backup if that on a winning team.

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Well if you'd watch the games you'd know that the Milwaukee Bucks aren't an organization that makes smart decisions.

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The rest of Anthony Davis's starting lineup in that game was Dante Cunningham, Norris Cole, Omer Asik, and some fuckin guy named Bryce Dejean-Jones. Again, Anthony Davis played with those four guys as the other starters, scored 59 points, 20 rebounds, was a +17, and his team won by 5. You are insane for weighing team success as heavily as you are, especially considering you are a Carmelo guy.

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I'm pretty sure that he has not had to play with that lineup for the entire year. That is a crappy lineup, though is Asik really worse than Taj. Is Norris Cole worse than Etwaun Moore? IMU cue the stats as that is the only way you can hold a basketball conversation.


The Carmelo argument doesn't hold water. The guy made the playoffs his first nine years in the league. I'm not expecting Davis to win a championship, but if he is that guy then his team should make the playoffs.

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It's been similar to that all year. I agree with you in general that a top player needs to win, but I'm not gonna kill Anthony Davis for not dragging that group to the playoffs in his 4th year. Kobe is one of the 10 best players of all time by any measure and missed the postseason back to back times in his prime. It happens occasionally.

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Their team has injuries every year but Tyreke Evans came up big last year and showed that he is a player in the league. Holiday is solid when healthy. Gordon and Ryan Anderson still have value. i don't know how many games these guys have missed this year to be honest. That is more than enough to get you to the playoffs if you are being compared to the likes of Tim Duncan. Look at the teams he was winning championships with in San Antonio during the early years and you be hard pressed to tell me that the talent on those teams was much better than New Orleans. They should be able to secure an 8th seed. If Durant plays in one more game last year they miss the playoffs. They should not be 11 games under.

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Duncan is one of the 5 best players to ever play the game. I've never attempted to make the argument that Davis is the next Tim Duncan. And yes, the Pelicans have been the most injured team in the league this year, which does help explain their record.

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In general LTG I feel you can be a bit myopic with your emphasis on the "eye test.' You frequently comment on someone's talent or lack thereof based on your visual assessment, but that also indicates to me an inability for you to zoom out and see the bigger picture. In the case of Davis for example I think you're completely whiffing because all your focus is on the players and you've neglected to consider how the coach and/or GM may have contributed to the team's poor performance. It's not all about talent as the pre-Jackson Lakers demonstrate; that team, with a young Kobe, Shaq, Eddie Jones, Elden Cambell, Nick Van Excel (probably missing others) was much more talented than the Lakers teams that won the titles. The difference was obvious, so it's not all about talent.

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John Word and Mike Powerpoint were the stars of those teams.

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guilty as charged on that typo

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Nick Van Exel had a confident free throw form. That's what I'll always remember most about him.

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I may be wrong but I think Kobe Shaq and Phil Jackson all arrived the same yr in L.A. can't remember where the other 3 were but I think that they came the same yr.

As far as Davis goes, I don't think it is unfair to ask just how good is he? If we are going to place him in the top five then shouldn't his team have performed better by now? If he has been playing with the guys that FavreFan identified for much of this season then he should get a pass. The Pelicans regular starting lineup is playoff caliber though.

Look at What Chris Paul has done in L.A. without Blake Griffin. Most people would say that Davis is a better player. If he is then is team should win more. People have said that he will be the NBA's best player in a few yrs. If so, then his team should be better than it is now. I'm not calling him a bum. I would probably place him in the 10-15 range simply because I like to see how guys impact games.

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No, Kobe and Shaq arrived before Phil. Don't you remember Kobe's airballs against Utah in the playoffs? Rambis was the coach I think. Anyways, I still think you're ignoring context in favor of analyzing skill.

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Chris Paul is really damn good, and his teammates even minus Blake are significantly better than Davis's, and his coach is too.

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If you watched the games, you'd know that Kobe Bryant played against the Michael Jordan Bulls teams, and that would have been very difficult to do with Phil Jackson as Kobe Bryant's head coach, since Michael and Phil left the same year.

Unless Phil Jackson was pulling double duty. I was young then; maybe I didn't notice Phil running from bench to bench.

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You're right and I'm wrong. See I admitted it. Kobe came into the league in 96. No way Phil could have coached them. I forgot a lot of that.

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Davis is a player that can do a lot of things. I'm just looking at impact. When you start talking best player then guys have to impact games and make other guys better. Chris Paul has done that his entire career. Look at Jordan and Redick. It's easy to say yeah they are better than other guys now. What about 2-3 years ago? Jordan would have been worse than Asik and Redick worse than Gordon or Evans. Hell he still is considered worse. He is just less injured.

In terms of coaching and management that can be a copout. Sometimes it's the coach most times guys are just not as good as people think. I don't think Monty Williams was a bad coach. Gentry is a middle of the road coach. I don't think coaching outweighs injuries or talent in this case or most cases.

San Antonio's defense looks a lot worse when Duncan doesn't play. Does Popovich all of sudden become a bad coach? No personnel is different. Talent trumps everything else. He gets a pass if all of those guys are injured for most of the year. If they are not then you have to look at him a little closer. He is obviously their franchise guy, but what does that get you is the question?

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Chris Paul missed the playoffs 3 out of his first 5 years in the league.

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