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No, Kobe and Shaq arrived before Phil. Don't you remember Kobe's airballs against Utah in the playoffs? Rambis was the coach I think. Anyways, I still think you're ignoring context in favor of analyzing skill.



Davis is a player that can do a lot of things. I'm just looking at impact. When you start talking best player then guys have to impact games and make other guys better. Chris Paul has done that his entire career. Look at Jordan and Redick. It's easy to say yeah they are better than other guys now. What about 2-3 years ago? Jordan would have been worse than Asik and Redick worse than Gordon or Evans. Hell he still is considered worse. He is just less injured.

In terms of coaching and management that can be a copout. Sometimes it's the coach most times guys are just not as good as people think. I don't think Monty Williams was a bad coach. Gentry is a middle of the road coach. I don't think coaching outweighs injuries or talent in this case or most cases.

San Antonio's defense looks a lot worse when Duncan doesn't play. Does Popovich all of sudden become a bad coach? No personnel is different. Talent trumps everything else. He gets a pass if all of those guys are injured for most of the year. If they are not then you have to look at him a little closer. He is obviously their franchise guy, but what does that get you is the question?

JJ Reddick is a lot better than Tyreke and Eric Gordon this year. DeAndre Jordan is a lot better than Asik. Jamal Crawford, Pierce, and Jeff Green are alot better than their equivalents on New Orleans. Doc is a lot better than Monty Williams was and Alvin Gentry is. These are all pretty cut and dry things that reasonable basketball fans that watch games can agree on. Your post is just talking in circles.

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Rose's post Allstar break averages: 26.0ppg, 5.7rpg , 4.7apg & shooting 57.4% from field. Long time guy wins again.

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Hopefully he becomes tradeable.

Rose's post Allstar break averages: 26.0ppg, 5.7rpg , 4.7apg & shooting 57.4% from field. Long time guy wins again.


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No, Kobe and Shaq arrived before Phil. Don't you remember Kobe's airballs against Utah in the playoffs? Rambis was the coach I think. Anyways, I still think you're ignoring context in favor of analyzing skill.



Davis is a player that can do a lot of things. I'm just looking at impact. When you start talking best player then guys have to impact games and make other guys better. Chris Paul has done that his entire career. Look at Jordan and Redick. It's easy to say yeah they are better than other guys now. What about 2-3 years ago? Jordan would have been worse than Asik and Redick worse than Gordon or Evans. Hell he still is considered worse. He is just less injured.

In terms of coaching and management that can be a copout. Sometimes it's the coach most times guys are just not as good as people think. I don't think Monty Williams was a bad coach. Gentry is a middle of the road coach. I don't think coaching outweighs injuries or talent in this case or most cases.

San Antonio's defense looks a lot worse when Duncan doesn't play. Does Popovich all of sudden become a bad coach? No personnel is different. Talent trumps everything else. He gets a pass if all of those guys are injured for most of the year. If they are not then you have to look at him a little closer. He is obviously their franchise guy, but what does that get you is the question?

JJ Reddick is a lot better than Tyreke and Eric Gordon this year. DeAndre Jordan is a lot better than Asik. Jamal Crawford, Pierce, and Jeff Green are alot better than their equivalents on New Orleans. Doc is a lot better than Monty Williams was and Alvin Gentry is. These are all pretty cut and dry things that reasonable basketball fans that watch games can agree on. Your post is just talking in circles.



Jeff Green just got on the team last week. I doubt that he has had much impact. Redick became a much better NBA after playing with Paul. So did Jordan. Cole Aldridge actually looks like a better player too. A healthy Tyrese Evans is better than J.J Redick. He was easily their 2nd best player just last year.

These drive by observations based merely upon the latest power ranking are why you tend to get a lot of this stuff wrong.

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No, Kobe and Shaq arrived before Phil. Don't you remember Kobe's airballs against Utah in the playoffs? Rambis was the coach I think. Anyways, I still think you're ignoring context in favor of analyzing skill.



Davis is a player that can do a lot of things. I'm just looking at impact. When you start talking best player then guys have to impact games and make other guys better. Chris Paul has done that his entire career. Look at Jordan and Redick. It's easy to say yeah they are better than other guys now. What about 2-3 years ago? Jordan would have been worse than Asik and Redick worse than Gordon or Evans. Hell he still is considered worse. He is just less injured.

In terms of coaching and management that can be a copout. Sometimes it's the coach most times guys are just not as good as people think. I don't think Monty Williams was a bad coach. Gentry is a middle of the road coach. I don't think coaching outweighs injuries or talent in this case or most cases.

San Antonio's defense looks a lot worse when Duncan doesn't play. Does Popovich all of sudden become a bad coach? No personnel is different. Talent trumps everything else. He gets a pass if all of those guys are injured for most of the year. If they are not then you have to look at him a little closer. He is obviously their franchise guy, but what does that get you is the question?

JJ Reddick is a lot better than Tyreke and Eric Gordon this year. DeAndre Jordan is a lot better than Asik. Jamal Crawford, Pierce, and Jeff Green are alot better than their equivalents on New Orleans. Doc is a lot better than Monty Williams was and Alvin Gentry is. These are all pretty cut and dry things that reasonable basketball fans that watch games can agree on. Your post is just talking in circles.



Jeff Green just got on the team last week. I doubt that he has had much impact. Redick became a much better NBA after playing with Paul. So did Jordan. Cole Aldridge actually looks like a better player too. A healthy Tyrese Evans is better than J.J Redick. He was easily their 2nd best player just last year.

These drive by observations based merely upon the latest power ranking are why you tend to get a lot of this stuff wrong.

Remove Jeff Green and the rest of the post still stands. You haven't watched basketball in the past 3-4 years if you think Evans is better than Redick, and Evans has been hurt for over half the year anyway so I'm not sure why you are even bringing him up.

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No, Kobe and Shaq arrived before Phil. Don't you remember Kobe's airballs against Utah in the playoffs? Rambis was the coach I think. Anyways, I still think you're ignoring context in favor of analyzing skill.



Davis is a player that can do a lot of things. I'm just looking at impact. When you start talking best player then guys have to impact games and make other guys better. Chris Paul has done that his entire career.

Chris Paul missed the playoffs 3 out of his first 5 years in the league.


20 win improvement his first year in the league. Nearly a 40 win improvement by yr 3. I call that impact. Same franchise so you will also see their improvement under Davis. The roster has also been improved since they signed Davis, yet it hasn't amounted to much.

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Hopefully he becomes tradeable.

Rose's post Allstar break averages: 26.0ppg, 5.7rpg , 4.7apg & shooting 57.4% from field. Long time guy wins again.



Etwaun Moore and Taj Gibson have more trade value.

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Hopefully he becomes tradeable.

Rose's post Allstar break averages: 26.0ppg, 5.7rpg , 4.7apg & shooting 57.4% from field. Long time guy wins again.



Etwaun Moore and Taj Gibson have more trade value.

All three have very little trade value currently.

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Hopefully he becomes tradeable.

Rose's post Allstar break averages: 26.0ppg, 5.7rpg , 4.7apg & shooting 57.4% from field. Long time guy wins again.




Looks like a different player since Butler got injured.

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Hopefully he becomes tradeable.

Rose's post Allstar break averages: 26.0ppg, 5.7rpg , 4.7apg & shooting 57.4% from field. Long time guy wins again.




Looks like a different player since Butler got injured.


He has looked better for longer than that. He has been a different player since he removed the mask. Anti Rose crowd have been loathe to admit they were wrong so they will focus on his trade value or his ability to be traded. Oh the irony of failing to admit they were wrong.

I thought he was done at the start of the season. Didn't think he had the "fire and the passion". I began changing my tune because the "eye test" suggested something different. He attacked the rim with more tenacity than at any time last season. He was not settling for jump shots as he did last season. He also began to show much more consistency and he has also held his own with the top guards in the league. He displayed some athletic pride which I didn't think he had anymore.

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Hopefully he becomes tradeable.

Rose's post Allstar break averages: 26.0ppg, 5.7rpg , 4.7apg & shooting 57.4% from field. Long time guy wins again.




Looks like a different player since Butler got injured.


He has looked better for longer than that. He has been a different player since he removed the mask. Anti Rose crowd have been loathe to admit they were wrong so they will focus on his trade value or his ability to be traded. Oh the irony of failing to admit they were wrong.

I thought he was done at the start of the season. Didn't think he had the "fire and the passion". I began changing my tune because the "eye test" suggested something different. He attacked the rim with more tenacity than at any time last season. He was not settling for jump shots as he did last season. He also began to show much more consistency and he has also held his own with the top guards in the league. He displayed some athletic pride which I didn't think he had anymore.


Where's the irony and whats the overall point? He's still an albatross even if he is playing better. Simply not reliable and not worth the money. I think they need to move on from him.

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No he isnt. The dude has been playing at a high level for awhile now. If I have to explain irony then what's the point. I wouldn't pay him big money after the contract is up. Can't trust him. I will agree on that. As long as he is here I'm rolling with him. Can't trade him for equal value so it's futile to advance that point.

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I'm more amazed he he has stayed fairly healthy this year, I don't think we'll see that MVP Rose ever again.

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I'm more amazed he he has stayed fairly healthy this year, I don't think we'll see that MVP Rose ever again.


I don't think he will MVP again, but I think he can be an All Star again.

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Davis had 59 points and 20 boards today in a close win. I bet long time guy's eye told him Davis was mediocre though.



My eye informed me that Davis scored an "impactful" 9 points last night. Only 2 after halftime.

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Carmelo Anthony has scored 13 or less points in 7 games this season in which he played the full game.

Yesterday was the second game ALL SEASON where Anthony Davis scored 13 points or less.

Stephen Curry, inarguably the best scorer in the league, has two games this season where he scored 13 points and 14 points while playing the entire game.

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Davis had 59 points and 20 boards today in a close win. I bet long time guy's eye told him Davis was mediocre though.



My eye informed me that Davis scored an "impactful" 9 points last night. Only 2 after halftime.


This is why guys call you a troll. My "eye" tells me your sample size sucks.

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I'm fairly sure that an actual thought is a foreign concept right about now.

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Carmelo Anthony has scored 13 or less points in 7 games this season in which he played the full game.

Yesterday was the second game ALL SEASON where Anthony Davis scored 13 points or less.

Stephen Curry, inarguably the best scorer in the league, has two games this season where he scored 13 points and 14 points while playing the entire game.

I also don't think Curry or Carmelo are pulling down 20 rebounds during those games either.

How is that for a thought? You simpleton. Maybe there is a reason you refuse to put weight into statistics. The few times you attempt to use some it blows up in your face.

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Carmelo Anthony has scored 13 or less points in 7 games this season in which he played the full game.

Yesterday was the second game ALL SEASON where Anthony Davis scored 13 points or less.

Stephen Curry, inarguably the best scorer in the league, has two games this season where he scored 13 points and 14 points while playing the entire game.

I also don't think Curry or Carmelo are pulling down 20 rebounds during those games either.

How is that for a thought? You simpleton. Maybe there is a reason you refuse to put weight into statistics. The few times you attempt to use some it blows up in your face.


I know you didn't watch the game. That is why I phrased it like that. Carmelo Anthony made the playoffs his first 4 years in the league. Davis is about to miss for the third year out of 4. Anthony is not the player Davis is at this stage and that is not what I am arguing.

I'm just wondering how his team underperforms every year except one. You are the proverbial basketbal hack and can't provide an explanation. They were blown out by 20 and the game was over by the middle of the third quarter.

These are the guys you don't like.

Anthony
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Rose
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Guys you do like

Michael Carter Williams
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Chandler Parsons
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Lance Stephenson

Also your thoughts on 80's basketball also render you an idiot

You wonder why you basketball opinions stink so damn much

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You didn't watch the fucking Wizards versus the Pelicans either. Shut up.

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You didn't watch the fucking Wizards versus the Pelicans either. Shut up.


I checked the game out on NBA TV you fool. I also have league pass. 3 point game at halftime. Davis scores 2 following halftime. Isaiah Thomas called him on his performance in the post game. Made me think about fools like you also. Thomas also said that he would take Cousins over Davis at this stage.

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Isiah Thomas. If you watched the games, you'd know that.

ANYWAY... you might have heard that Isiah Thomas sucked moist asshole as both a coach and a front office executive. Do you care about what he said?

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Isiah Thomas. If you watched the games, you'd know that.

ANYWAY... you might have heard that Isiah Thomas sucked moist asshole as both a coach and a front office executive. Do you care about what he said?

Playing pretty good point for the Celtics right now though

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Isiah Thomas. If you watched the games, you'd know that.

ANYWAY... you might have heard that Isiah Thomas sucked moist asshole as both a coach and a front office executive. Do you care about what he said?

Playing pretty good point for the Celtics right now though

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Isiah Thomas. If you watched the games, you'd know that.

ANYWAY... you might have heard that Isiah Thomas sucked moist asshole as both a coach and a front office executive. Do you care about what he said?


Let's see. NBA Hall of Famer, renowned judge of talent, one of the architects of the Bad Boy Pistons. Or you Stat gazer extraordinaire and a guy that thinks he is watching Tyrus Thomas when he is watching Bobby Portis? Not a tough decision at all.

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Isiah Thomas. If you watched the games, you'd know that.

ANYWAY... you might have heard that Isiah Thomas sucked moist asshole as both a coach and a front office executive. Do you care about what he said?


Let's see. NBA Hall of Famer, renowned judge of talent, one of the architects of the Bad Boy Pistons. Or you Stat gazer extraordinaire and a guy that thinks he is watching Tyrus Thomas when he is watching Bobby Portis? Not a tough decision at all.


Come on, now. I got a chuckle out of you referring to IMU as "you fool", but did you really say Thomas was an architect of the Pistons teams he played on? Maybe he helped run Dantley out and got them to bring in Aguirre. Anyway, I'd hardly call Thomas a shrewd judge of NBA talent. The man has bankrupted at least two teams and an entire league in between sexually harassing Knicks employees.

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Isiah Thomas. If you watched the games, you'd know that.

ANYWAY... you might have heard that Isiah Thomas sucked moist asshole as both a coach and a front office executive. Do you care about what he said?


Let's see. NBA Hall of Famer, renowned judge of talent, one of the architects of the Bad Boy Pistons. Or you Stat gazer extraordinaire and a guy that thinks he is watching Tyrus Thomas when he is watching Bobby Portis? Not a tough decision at all.


Come on, now. I got a chuckle out of you referring to IMU as "you fool", but did you really say Thomas was an architect of the Pistons teams he played on? Maybe he helped run Dantley out and got them to bring in Aguirre. Anyway, I'd hardly call Thomas a shrewd judge of NBA talent. The man has bankrupted at least two teams and an entire league in between sexually harassing Knicks employees.


I remember watching something where it was stated that he was involved in personnel moves while a player for the Pistons. He is also known as a shrewd judge of talent. It hasn't exactly translated into running a franchise. IMU should be a fan though. He is the guy that extracted Jamal Crawford from Paxson and the "Bull". How could he not be a fan after such an ingenius move?

The Knicks were a dead end franchise when he got there. He didn't do anything to improve the team. He drafted David Lee late in the first round. He also drafted Nate Robinson late in the first round. Not a bad move considering. He also was the guy that found Tracy McGrady and Damon Stoudamire. Not bad There are others too.

He tended to overpay for players. That was his biggest flaw as a GM. He wasn't bad at assessing talent though.

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