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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:21 pm 
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Players are not going to vote on the deal and have rejected it. Bye bye season.

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There will come a time when the owners say "Take 50% by Monday or we drop our offer to 48% on Tuesday". That's when it will all be over.

Maybe. It depends on how many players look at the lockout through Chauncey Billups viewpoint vs how many view it like Big Baby Davis.


BR is right. There are more broke players that would be happy wit 45% so they can get a check.

It doesn't look like it.

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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:28 pm 
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NEW YORK -- Union president Derek Fisher says his orders from NBA players are clear: No deal.

"The current offer on the table from the NBA is one that we cannot accept," he said Tuesday.

Instead, the players said they will ask for another meeting with the owners before Commissioner David Stern's Wednesday afternoon deadline.

Stern has said that if the players don't take the current deal by then, the league's next offer will be much worse.

The players insisted they will not be forced into taking a bad deal by an ultimatum.

"The players are saying that we understand their position, but unfortunately we're not intimidated by that," union executive director Billy Hunter said.

The league's current proposal calls for players to receive between 49 percent and 51 percent of basketball-related income, though players argue it would be nearly impossible to get above 50.2 percent.

If they don't agree to it by 5 p.m. Wednesday, the next offer will call for salary rollbacks, a 53-47 revenue split in the owners' favor and essentially a hard salary cap.

And, Hunter said he heard, games canceled through Christmas.

Players seem willing to negotiate further on the revenue split if they get some concessions on the salary cap system. Without them, Fisher said "we don't see a way of getting a deal done between now and end of business" Wednesday.

The union called the meeting after Stern issued his ultimatum early Sunday morning. Fisher said 43 players, including superstars Carmelo Anthony and Blake Griffin, attended the meeting and that 29 of the 30 teams were represented.


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Players are now willing to go 50-50 on revenue if the owners bend a little on the luxury tax issues. This is their last play, and I don't think it's going to work. Jordan and the other owners smell blood, and are going for the kill.

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Players are now willing to go 50-50 on revenue if the owners bend a little on the luxury tax issues. This is their last play, and I don't think it's going to work. Jordan and the other owners smell blood, and are going for the kill.


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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
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Both sides have agreed to meet at noon today.

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Chris Mannix of SI wrote:
At 5 p.m. Wednesday, just as the sun sets behind the league's offices at Olympic Tower in New York City, the NBA will likely begin a "nuclear winter."

Sure, things can change with the sides set to meet Wednesday afternoon. The NBA could ignore or extend its own deadline (it's done it before) or the players could suddenly decide that a 50-50 split of basketball-related income, a punitive, incrementally increasing luxury tax and an overall system that makes it unlikely even the uber wealthy teams will want to exceed the luxury tax threshold is OK by them. Then again, the owners could budge a on the system issues (as Yahoo!'s Adrian Wojnarowski hinted they would) enough that players give in and agree to a deal.

More probable, however, is at 5:01 p.m. the following two things will happen:

• The NBA will withdraw its current offer and present a new one highlighted by a 47 percent share of the BRI for players, a hard salary cap and rollbacks of existing contracts, among many other indigestible items the union is sure to reject.

• The NBPA will formally begin the process of decertifying, a process that, according to executive director Billy Hunter, has already informally begun.

After that, pack your bags and mothball the uniforms. The season will be over. Yes, there is a window of 45 to 60 days before the National Labor Relations Board would even consider letting the union decertify, a window that, in theory, could be used for further negotiations. But for what? If Stern and his owners are determined to permanently replace the current, back-bending deal with a new, back-breaking one -- and there are no indications that isn't exactly what the NBA is going to do -- any further negotiations will be fruitless. The board room will give way to the courtroom and the league will lose a full season for the first time in history.

And it will be entirely the owners' fault.

This is not meant to be an impassioned defense of the union, which has bungled this process every step of the way. While the NBA was massaging the national press, the union was printing T-shirts. When the NBA flooded the airwaves with a carefully choreographed media blitz, players clogged Twitter with hash tags. While the NBA has delivered its message in simple, understandable language ("The system is broken" ... "22 out of 30 teams are losing money" ...), players have annoyed fans with not-so-pithy catch phrases like "Free Basketball" and "Let Us Play."

It's a prizefight, and only the NBA is a polished heavyweight and the union is a tomato can.

Reality has been blurred, when it shouldn't be. Because the simple fact is that the NBPA has made concession after concession and gotten nothing in return.

Think about it: In the NFL labor talks, commissioner Roger Goodell and NFLPA chief DeMaurice Smith did some serious horse-trading. We give you a bigger piece of the revenue split, you reduce organized team activities and padded practices and eliminate two-a-days. We let you reduce rookie salaries, you impose a salary floor for the veterans.

That's not happening in the NBA. The NBA's relationship with the union is parasitic; it takes and gives nothing back. Sure, there are things the union wants -- incentives for rookies, higher qualifying offers -- but it probably won't get them. Right now, the players' priority is stopping the bleeding, getting Stern & Co. to quit gashing their share of the BRI while at the same time creating a luxury tax system so punitive an owner would rather stick a fork in his eye than exceed the limit.

They should stop, too. It's enough already. The NBA claims it has been losing around $300 million, annually. The players are willing to hand $200 million per year back now and another $80 million a season (in a 50-50 split scenario) if the owners will budge on a few system issues. That's $280 million funneled back into the owners' pockets that, when coupled with revenue sharing, should infuse every team in the league with enough cash to be competitive.

Will it guarantee profitability? No. Then again, it shouldn't. It's amazing how some of the owners have escaped being held responsible for their own foolish mistakes. Struggling financially? Don't give Darko Milicic $20 million. Problems with your payroll? Maybe it's because Gilbert Arenas' $110 million is eating it up. Deep in luxury tax territory? Rashard Lewis didn't force you to write $113 million on the contract. These were bad decisions that should not be allowed to be collectively bargained away.

So take a deep breath, David Stern. Reflect for a minute Robert Sarver, Dan Gilbert and Paul Allen. Think about what you are doing. You have already won. History will record that you crushed the union, winning unprecedented concessions while giving virtually nothing back. If you haven't solved the problems that plagued the league the last few years, you have at least given the owners the means to fix it themselves.

Yes, you have already won, NBA. But before you blow up the season, ask yourself this: Is it really necessary to run up the score?


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Oh brother!

Que? That article FF posted is spot on.

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Oh brother!

Que? That article FF posted is spot on.

Douchebag, it's not what basketball fans want to read or hear, and kudos to FavreFan for posting it. This really, really sucks if this is indeed true...


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:lol: :lol: Pretty much sums up my day today.


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:lol: :lol: Pretty much sums up my day today.

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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
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Hey!

I sent you that video of me as a yoot in CONFIDENCE!

You remove it now or I'm sending off a series of strongly worded PM's.

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I sent you that video of me as a yoot in CONFIDENCE!

You remove it now or I'm sending off a series of strongly worded PM's.

:lol:

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Pardon me.

...the video of me as a yooouttthhh.

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:lol: :lol: Sam Smith on the classics. Previewing the game on comcast tonight.

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Stat of the Night: The NFL Lockout lasted 132 Days. Today is Day 132 of the NBA Lockout.

27 minutes ago


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Stat of the Night: The NFL Lockout lasted 132 Days. Today is Day 132 of the NBA Lockout.

27 minutes ago


ZZ vibe

That's pretty funny.

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Well since there past the deadline, and there talking don't know if that means anything, reading some of the NBA thoughts on ESPN, As night rolls on, my optimism on NBA deal being struck wanes. If they're grinding at this point, it's because fundamental divide remains.


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No deal last night. More talks have been scheduled for today, and Stern said the "reset" offer will not go into effect until this round of negotiations breaks down. I guess that's a good sign, but sources are saying no significant progress was make in the 12 hours they talked yesterday. What exactly are these guys doing during these marathon talks?

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No deal last night. More talks have been scheduled for today, and Stern said the "reset" offer will not go into effect until this round of negotiations breaks down. I guess that's a good sign, but sources are saying no significant progress was make in the 12 hours they talked yesterday. What exactly are these guys doing during these marathon talks?

Sounds like it's just a giant, public "my dick is bigger than yours" argument. There's absolutely no reason there shouldn't be an agreement by now. Stern looks like a dumbass since the players called his bluff, and likewise it's obvious that the Union is scared to decertify. Both have been shown to be empty threats. Each one is trying to save face and "win" in the public's eye and don't seem to realize that both sides come off as looking incredibly amateurish.

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Yeah it seems like the hardline owners like M-Jeff are being emboldened by the developments and want to crush the Players Association.

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Yeah it seems like the hardline owners like M-Jeff are being emboldened by the developments and want to crush the Players Association.

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Jordan is like plantation owner... :x

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Dave Checketts is a boob.

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Just reading, that if no deal by tommorow, could turn ugly, where the owners will pull the 50-50 and go 53-47 for owners.


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