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I think one thing is obvious in watching tonight's game: Kobe was holding back Steve Blake.


Steve Blake has been solid all season when healthy

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The Ewing Theory would not apply to the Lakers but if they managed to have some success without Kobe I can see some people believing that using the amnesty clause on Kobe would be best. Jim Buss has been known to do very stupid things.


I'm not sure if using the amnesty clause on Kobe would be so stupid. His days of leading a team to the Finals are over, and he's going to be coming back from a major injury.

Even if he comes back full strength, it's simply not wise to pin your hopes on a 35 year old shooting guard. Now, if you can get a healthy Howard back, and find someone who knows what to do with Gasol, then you might be on to something.

At this point in time, Howard is the present and future for the Lakers.

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As things stand now, the Lakers have 1 game left. They host the Rockets Wednesday night in the second game of an NBA/ESPN doubleheader. I've gotta think if they win that game, they're in.


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No chance at Kobe getting amnestied, next year he plays his final season.

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As things stand now, the Lakers have 1 game left. They host the Rockets Wednesday night in the second game of an NBA/ESPN doubleheader. I've gotta think if they win that game, they're in.


You're right again SHARK! Any Lakers win or Jazz loss and the Lakers are in.

The Jazz/Grizzlies' game starts the NBA/ESPN doubleheader at 7P tomorrow. In my opinion, the Lakers don't deserve to get in, even if they beat the Rockets tomorrow night.


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As things stand now, the Lakers have 1 game left. They host the Rockets Wednesday night in the second game of an NBA/ESPN doubleheader. I've gotta think if they win that game, they're in.


You're right again SHARK! Any Lakers win or Jazz loss and the Lakers are in.

The Jazz/Grizzlies' game starts the NBA/ESPN doubleheader at 7P tomorrow. In my opinion, the Lakers don't deserve to get in, even if they beat the Rockets tomorrow night.

The team with the 8th best record deserves to get in, SHARK.

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In my opinion, the Lakers don't deserve to get in, even if they beat the Rockets tomorrow night.

Why not? Mathematically if they beat the Rockets, then they're in. Therefore, they deserve to get in. What are you talking about?

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SHARK wrote:
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As things stand now, the Lakers have 1 game left. They host the Rockets Wednesday night in the second game of an NBA/ESPN doubleheader. I've gotta think if they win that game, they're in.


You're right again SHARK! Any Lakers win or Jazz loss and the Lakers are in.

The Jazz/Grizzlies' game starts the NBA/ESPN doubleheader at 7P tomorrow. In my opinion, the Lakers don't deserve to get in, even if they beat the Rockets tomorrow night.

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As things stand now, the Lakers have 1 game left. They host the Rockets Wednesday night in the second game of an NBA/ESPN doubleheader. I've gotta think if they win that game, they're in.


You're right again SHARK! Any Lakers win or Jazz loss and the Lakers are in.

The Jazz/Grizzlies' game starts the NBA/ESPN doubleheader at 7P tomorrow. In my opinion, the Lakers don't deserve to get in, even if they beat the Rockets tomorrow night.

The team with the 8th best record deserves to get in, SHARK.

Well, the Lakers have the inside track, but they'll know before tipoff at Staples Center what they'll need to do. The Grizzlies may be in, but they're trying to improve their own seed out West. Right now, they're listed as the #5 and would face the #4 seed Clippers in what could be a doozy of a first round matchup. The Jazz still have the tiebreaker if they win tomorrow night in Memphis & the Lakers stub their toes vs. the Rockets.


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If any team doesn't deserve to be in, it's the 37-44 Milwaukee Bucks.

True. If the Bucks were a Western Conference team, they'd be planning for the NBA Draft Lottery right now. Instead, they'll soon be first round fodder for the NBA Champs from Miami in the East.


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It's unfortunate for Kobe Bryant that he played so hard that he tore his Achilles, which only resulted in the Lakers being on the verge of getting swept in 4 games. The Lakers GM has made a series of poor moves, but the only thing he did right was get rid of Andrew Bynum.

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What a guy that Dwight Howard. Picks up his 2nd technical with like 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.


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It's unfortunate for Kobe Bryant that he played so hard that he tore his Achilles, which only resulted in the Lakers being on the verge of getting swept in 4 games. The Lakers GM has made a series of poor moves, but the only thing he did right was get rid of Andrew Bynum.


The Lakers ended up sucking, but anytime you acquire a star like Dwight Howard in the middle of his prime, and pair him with still useful players like Kobe and Gasol, I think you did all right. Call it the anti-GarPax trade.

In my opinion, the only personnel issues they suck at have to do with coaching. No coach outside of PJ has had success with the Lakers for the past 13 years, and now it looks like they've dug a hole for themselves with the perpetually overmatched D'Antoni and his multi-year contract.

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What a guy that Dwight Howard. Picks up his 2nd technical with like 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.


He could have been a Bull. I feel better knowing that will never happen. He just didn't want to play. This was his chance to prove that he could be the man. The Lakers are going to be in a lot of trouble when Kobe retires after next season.

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What a guy that Dwight Howard. Picks up his 2nd technical with like 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.


He could have been a Bull. I feel better knowing that will never happen. He just didn't want to play. This was his chance to prove that he could be the man. The Lakers are going to be in a lot of trouble when Kobe retires after next season.


They're already in trouble. Kobe and Gasol are aging, so someone like Howard is exactly what you need to keep things going. Too bad Howard isn't a leader. I'd be much more optimistic if the Lakers had a real coach, but alas, it looks like Kobe's end is going to be anything but glorious.

Also, I know we've gone back and forth on this elsewhere, but the Bulls should absolutely get Howard if available. He wouldn't need to be the man on the Bulls. He could do his 20/10/2 thing during games and then do his clown thing afterwards. In any case, you know Thibs would put his ass in place during games.

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Howard is a cancer. The last thing the Bulls need is a guy like Howard. He wants to be the man on a team with Kobe so you can imagine how he'll feel in Chicago. Being the man is all he cares about. Winning isn't the most important thing to him. IMO the Lakers would be smart to allow him to walk but I know they won't do it.

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Howard is a cancer. The last thing the Bulls need is a guy like Howard. He wants to be the man on a team with Kobe so you can imagine how he'll feel in Chicago. Being the man is all he cares about. Winning isn't the most important thing to him. IMO the Lakers would be smart to allow him to walk but I know they won't do it.


I'm taking Rose, Howard, and Thibs over this current roster any day of the week, cancer or no cancer.

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Howard is a cancer. The last thing the Bulls need is a guy like Howard. He wants to be the man on a team with Kobe so you can imagine how he'll feel in Chicago. Being the man is all he cares about. Winning isn't the most important thing to him. IMO the Lakers would be smart to allow him to walk but I know they won't do it.


I'm taking Rose, Howard, and Thibs over this current roster any day of the week, cancer or no cancer.


That's fine. We just view Howard differently.

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That's fine. We just view Howard differently.


Well, I think we agree that Howard is a punk, for various reasons, but probably disagree on whether his clown act would undermine the Bulls. I don't think so, and I'll cite Rose's and Thibs' leadership as examples of why I think he'll be forced to act professional while on the job.

I also think you have to pounce on someone like Howard because talent rises to the top in the NBA, and despite his immaturity Howard is one of the most talented players in the league. It's a high risk high reward proposition with Howard, while the status quo is really...well, I actually don't know what we have on our hands currently. Just a lot of hope in the European draft pick, and more hope that the Charlotte pick turns into something...I guess.

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What a guy that Dwight Howard. Picks up his 2nd technical with like 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.


He could have been a Bull. I feel better knowing that will never happen. He just didn't want to play. This was his chance to prove that he could be the man. The Lakers are going to be in a lot of trouble when Kobe retires after next season.


They're already in trouble. Kobe and Gasol are aging, so someone like Howard is exactly what you need to keep things going. Too bad Howard isn't a leader. I'd be much more optimistic if the Lakers had a real coach, but alas, it looks like Kobe's end is going to be anything but glorious.

Also, I know we've gone back and forth on this elsewhere, but the Bulls should absolutely get Howard if available. He wouldn't need to be the man on the Bulls. He could do his 20/10/2 thing during games and then do his clown thing afterwards. In any case, you know Thibs would put his *** in place during games.


The Bulls should not get Howard. It's all about him and he's not even that great of a player. At this point he's about to be on the tail end of his career. He will be stealing money by year 3 of a 4-year deal.

The Bulls will likely not be making any moves because they don't have cap space. Unless they are amnestying Boozer or pulling off a big trade I can't see them making very many changes for next season. They would have to move Deng, Boozer or Noah and I don't see that happening.

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What people didn't mention was that Nash is just about finished and he has 2 more years on his deal. Honestly, I'm not sure if the Lakers really even want to resign Howard at this point. They might be better off saving the money.

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Considering the fact Dwight Howard didn't sign an extension with the Lakers following the big trade that also involved Orlando, Denver & Philadelphia last summer, I was under the impression Howard would be one & done with the purple & gold and that he'd sign a long term deal with Dallas after this season. The Mavericks have cap room and owner Mark Cuban would love to make a bold move for a franchise that didn't make the NBA Playoffs this past season, but have been relevant under Cuban's ownership.

That being said, I've heard despite getting ejected in Game 4 vs. the Spurs, the Lakers will probably re-sign Howard to a long term deal this summer. I've also heard talk about the Lakers using their amnesty provision on one Kobe Bryant. I don't see it, and Kobe has actually hinted to NBA.com that he may retire after this season. This was before Kobe tore his Achilles near the end of their roller coaster regular season vs. Golden State.


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That being said, I've heard despite getting ejected in Game 4 vs. the Spurs, the Lakers will probably re-sign Howard to a long term deal this summer. I've also heard talk about the Lakers using their amnesty provision on one Kobe Bryant. I don't see it, and Kobe has actually hinted to NBA.com that he may retire after this season. This was before Kobe tore his Achilles near the end of their roller coaster regular season vs. Golden State.


It's all speculation at this point. Howard is going to play on a crappy team in LA if he re-signs with the team. The only question is whether that will be with or without Kobe Bryant. The biggest issue with the Lakers is that they don't play good enough to defense to beat the elite teams and Kobe Bryant is getting old.

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That being said, I've heard despite getting ejected in Game 4 vs. the Spurs, the Lakers will probably re-sign Howard to a long term deal this summer. I've also heard talk about the Lakers using their amnesty provision on one Kobe Bryant. I don't see it, and Kobe has actually hinted to NBA.com that he may retire after this season. This was before Kobe tore his Achilles near the end of their roller coaster regular season vs. Golden State.


It's all speculation at this point. Howard is going to play on a crappy team in LA if he re-signs with the team. The only question is whether that will be with or without Kobe Bryant. The biggest issue with the Lakers is that they don't play good enough to defense to beat the elite teams and Kobe Bryant is getting old.

That's true. Mike D'Antoni-coached teams do NOT play defense & Father time might be catching up with Kobe. I think the Lakers want to build their team around Howard.


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That being said, I've heard despite getting ejected in Game 4 vs. the Spurs, the Lakers will probably re-sign Howard to a long term deal this summer. I've also heard talk about the Lakers using their amnesty provision on one Kobe Bryant. I don't see it, and Kobe has actually hinted to NBA.com that he may retire after this season. This was before Kobe tore his Achilles near the end of their roller coaster regular season vs. Golden State.


It's all speculation at this point. Howard is going to play on a crappy team in LA if he re-signs with the team. The only question is whether that will be with or without Kobe Bryant. The biggest issue with the Lakers is that they don't play good enough to defense to beat the elite teams and Kobe Bryant is getting old.

That's true. Mike D'Antoni-coached teams do NOT play defense & Father time might be catching up with Kobe. I think the Lakers want to build their team around Howard.


Don't you think the Lakers GM has made a lot of mistakes recently? Dwight Howard is a good player, but he's not like Shaq was in his prime. No one could guard Shaq and he would just dominate everyone. Even if Howard and Kobe come back I still don't think they will win 10 more games than this season.

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Lakers' management has made quite a few bad moves lately. This before the passing of longtime owner Dr. Jerry Buss during this season. The Lakers are an absolute mess.


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Don't you think the Lakers GM has made a lot of mistakes recently? Dwight Howard is a good player, but he's not like Shaq was in his prime. No one could guard Shaq and he would just dominate everyone. Even if Howard and Kobe come back I still don't think they will win 10 more games than this season.


What roster mistakes have they made? Dwight Howard is the best center in the NBA when healthy, and he's only 27 years old. That's a move the Bulls can only dream of making. They'd rather bring in Jermaine O'neal or some other early 2000s has-been who can teach everyone else how to play hard and hustle.

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Don't you think the Lakers GM has made a lot of mistakes recently? Dwight Howard is a good player, but he's not like Shaq was in his prime. No one could guard Shaq and he would just dominate everyone. Even if Howard and Kobe come back I still don't think they will win 10 more games than this season.


What roster mistakes have they made? Dwight Howard is the best center in the NBA when healthy, and he's only 27 years old. That's a move the Bulls can only dream of making. They'd rather bring in Jermaine O'neal or some other early 2000s has-been who can teach everyone else how to play hard and hustle.

They hired the wrong HC in Mike D'Antoni. They acquired Steve Nash, whose best days are in the scrapbook, and Father time is catching up with Kobe Bryant. Pau Gasol will be dealt this summer.

As for Dwight Howard & the Bulls...What part of NO didn't you understand? The guy didn't want to play here, even if the Bulls offered everyone but Benny the Bull to Orlando!


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