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Of course if Griner had that skill at 6'8" we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

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If you put her picture next to some NBA level prospects there wouldn't be a noticeable difference in their physical size. In some cases she could be bigger.
Who? Don't pick a point guard either. Pick a post player.


Why do I have to pick a post player? How much bigger is Larry Sanders than she is? Is he bigger. How much bigger is KD?
She's not a guard. That's why.

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If you put her picture next to some NBA level prospects there wouldn't be a noticeable difference in their physical size. In some cases she could be bigger.
Who? Don't pick a point guard either. Pick a post player.


Why do I have to pick a post player? How much bigger is Larry Sanders than she is? Is he bigger. How much bigger is KD?
She's not a guard. That's why.


I picked Big Dog III

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Well, Robinson is 3 years younger, and even with two less inches, weighs more. Also, he does not project to be a post player. Griner isn't skilled enough to play small forward in the NBA or even the WNBA.

So, pick a player who projects to be a 4 or a 5 like Griner would have to play.

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Rick, you're saying Griner is smaller than Spud Webb and weaker than Pat Summit, is that correct?


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Nas wrote:
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If you put her picture next to some NBA level prospects there wouldn't be a noticeable difference in their physical size. In some cases she could be bigger.
Who? Don't pick a point guard either. Pick a post player.


Why do I have to pick a post player? How much bigger is Larry Sanders than she is? Is he bigger. How much bigger is KD?

Leave me out of this. I'm shorter but I weigh more than she does, if you must know.


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I picked Big Dog III
Well, Robinson is 3 years younger, and even with two less inches, weighs more. Also, he does not project to be a post player. Griner isn't skilled enough to play small forward in the NBA or even the WNBA.

So, pick a player who projects to be a 4 or a 5 like Griner would have to play.


In fairness to Griner she is the same size she was in high school. You could argue that's a bad thing. I would counter women don't usually need to bulk up to play against other women. Robinson will grow at least a couple more inches and they weigh the same amount.

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If you put her picture next to some NBA level prospects there wouldn't be a noticeable difference in their physical size. In some cases she could be bigger.
Who? Don't pick a point guard either. Pick a post player.


Why do I have to pick a post player? How much bigger is Larry Sanders than she is? Is he bigger. How much bigger is KD?

Leave me out of this. I'm shorter but I weigh more than she does, if you must know.


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Rick, you're saying Griner is smaller than Spud Webb and weaker than Pat Summit, is that correct?


Rick is constantly moving the goal post until he can find a point that I can't counter.

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Rick, you're saying Griner is smaller than Spud Webb and weaker than Pat Summit, is that correct?
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In fairness to Griner she is the same size she was in high school. You could argue that's a bad thing. I would counter women don't usually need to bulk up to play against other women. Robinson will grow at least a couple more inches and they weigh the same amount.
So you think Robinson would actually get less strong to play in the NBA?

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Rick, you're saying Griner is smaller than Spud Webb and weaker than Pat Summit, is that correct?


Rick is constantly moving the goal post until he can find a point that I can't counter.
Considering how many points you either ignore or discount in this thread that is a laughable statement.

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Rick, you're saying Griner is smaller than Spud Webb and weaker than Pat Summit, is that correct?
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In fairness to Griner she is the same size she was in high school. You could argue that's a bad thing. I would counter women don't usually need to bulk up to play against other women. Robinson will grow at least a couple more inches and they weigh the same amount.
So you think Robinson would actually get less strong to play in the NBA?


I would think he would try to get bigger but we've seen guys like Durant and Prince stay out of the weight room. I would also think Griner would try to get bigger if given the chance to play in the NBA. I believe ATHLETICISM will be her biggest hurdle though. I'm just pointing out why I don't believe the other stuff will prevent her from having success.

Edit: If she had the athleticism and skill set of Cappie Pondexter we wouldn't be having this discussion because I would think you were wrong in EVERY way.

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I would think he would try to get bigger but we've seen guys like Durant and Prince stay out of the weight room. I would also think Griner would try to get bigger if given the chance to play in the NBA. I believe ATHLETICISM will be her biggest hurdle though. I'm just pointing out why I don't believe the other stuff will prevent her from having success.

Edit: If she had the athleticism and skill set of Cappie Pondexter we wouldn't be having this discussion because I would think you were wrong in EVERY way.
You keep on bringing up perimeter players. I'm starting to think you've never actually seen Griner play.

Yes, her athleticism, along with everything else, is why she can't play in the NBA, and she didn't ever suit up for the Baylor men.

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Some people don't understand the skillset and athleticism needed to play professional basketball.

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I would think he would try to get bigger but we've seen guys like Durant and Prince stay out of the weight room. I would also think Griner would try to get bigger if given the chance to play in the NBA. I believe ATHLETICISM will be her biggest hurdle though. I'm just pointing out why I don't believe the other stuff will prevent her from having success.

Edit: If she had the athleticism and skill set of Cappie Pondexter we wouldn't be having this discussion because I would think you were wrong in EVERY way.
You keep on bringing up perimeter players. I'm starting to think you've never actually seen Griner play.

Yes, her athleticism, along with everything else, is why she can't play in the NBA, and she didn't ever suit up for the Baylor men.


Well your size and strength argument has been defeated with facts. The playing for Baylor men just seems like a silly point. If she plays well in a summer league and can make an NBA roster then that point will also be defeated.

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Some people don't understand the skillset and athleticism needed to play professional basketball.


How many times do I need to type her athleticism will be her biggest hurdle? You all were focusing on things that weren't. I was saying athleticism would be her biggest hurdle and pointing out how factually wrong some of your opinions were. We have photo/video/camp number to back that up.

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Why has a women never played in the CBA or NBDL or Europe? You would think someone would have a girl play if just for the publicity stunt.

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nas is just doing his nas thing in this thread.
The indefensible position.

It's pretty clear that a woman cannot compete with men in sports. Otherwise... there would be women in pro sports with men. but there's not. Why? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH MEN.

Why else would there be no women in pro leagues like the NHL, MLB, NBA and NFL? They'd sell tickets if they could compete and a team could have them on the roster.
But they can't. Which is why this whole thread is stupid as fuck.

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Well your size and strength argument has been defeated with facts. The playing for Baylor men just seems like a silly point. If she plays well in a summer league and can make an NBA roster then that point will also be defeated.
I don't know if suiting up for an NBA game would prove me wrong. That could happen just as a publicity stunt.

Just answer this question.

Do you believe Britney Griner will ever have an NBA season where she plays at least 15 games and averages over 15 minutes a game and averages at least 6 points a game? I say absolutely not. In fact, I don't think she would have been able to do that at Baylor.

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nas is just doing his nas thing in this thread.
The indefensible position.

It's pretty clear that a woman cannot compete with men in sports. Otherwise... there would be women in pro sports with men. but there's not. Why? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH MEN.

Why else would there be no women in pro leagues like the NHL, MLB, NBA and NFL? They'd sell tickets if they could compete and a team could have them on the roster.
But they can't. Which is why this whole thread is stupid as fuck.


I had the same terrible argument with two friends on the same subject Friday night. He is not the only one out there.

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Why has a women never played in the CBA or NBDL or Europe? You would think someone would have a girl play if just for the publicity stunt.


Because that's not giving them a true shot. Nancy Lieberman played in the USBL and held her own. That was back when women weren't as skilled or talented as they are now. I imagine someone like Cappie Pondexter could play in a men's league someone and hold her own. I imagine someone like Griner being able to play in the NBA. If not Griner we will see a woman in the NBA in the next 10 years.

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The USBL started in 1985 as one of the first basketball leagues to play a late-spring to early-summer schedule. The league quickly became known as a development league for players, with many players moving up to the NBA and many more playing in Europe after stints here. In 1996, the league made a stock offering, a rarity among sports leagues. However, in later years, the league declined as rival leagues appeared and USBL had a tougher time replacing teams that folded. In the last two seasons, the league was mainly a midwestern league, with teams mainly in Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma.

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nas is just doing his nas thing in this thread.
The indefensible position.

It's pretty clear that a woman cannot compete with men in sports. Otherwise... there would be women in pro sports with men. but there's not. Why? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH MEN.

Why else would there be no women in pro leagues like the NHL, MLB, NBA and NFL? They'd sell tickets if they could compete and a team could have them on the roster.
But they can't. Which is why this whole thread is stupid as fuck.


Let's not act as if they wouldn't be discriminated against. David Stern admitted that was likely the reason Jeremy Lin wasn't drafted or given a shot. Let's face it a lot of men don't think women can do anything other than house work better than men. There are probably more men who hold this believe than there are men who are racists.

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Well your size and strength argument has been defeated with facts. The playing for Baylor men just seems like a silly point. If she plays well in a summer league and can make an NBA roster then that point will also be defeated.
I don't know if suiting up for an NBA game would prove me wrong. That could happen just as a publicity stunt.

Just answer this question.

Do you believe Britney Griner will ever have an NBA season where she plays at least 15 games and averages over 15 minutes a game and averages at least 6 points a game? I say absolutely not. In fact, I don't think she would have been able to do that at Baylor.


I think it's possible. It would more likely happen if she was given a fair chance to develop but just based on the fact she is a woman it is unlikely she will be given a fair chance to develop.

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When an overweight 75 year old Jordan can beat your best player in a 1 on 1 you have some issues.


Jordan couldn't beat any player on any NBA team 1 on 1. Just more Jordan bullshit myth-making. It's not enough for the jerk-off to be the consensus greatest that ever played and nail whatever hot pussy he wants. He has to cheat at golf and lie about beating Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

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Her weight has nothing to do with the fact that the men she would be facing are just naturally stronger than her. Guards who are smaller than her will still be physically stronger than her.


This is exactly right. Men are just stronger than women. And before Ivan or somebody else feels it necessary to say that Griner would kick the shit out of everyone on this board, let me point out we're not discussing some pantsless cretins on CSFMB, but rather the supposed best athletes in the world. In fact, having seen Ivan in person, I'd suggest if he took a few months to sharpen his game he could easily out-muscle Brittney Griner.

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I think it's possible. It would more likely happen if she was given a fair chance to develop but just based on the fact she is a woman it is unlikely she will be given a fair chance to develop.
No. Answer yes or no. Do you think it will happen? No excuses please. She was loved at Baylor, and Baylor basketball could really have used a future NBA player on the team. For some reason though, she never even played one game for the men.

She'll get her NBA shot too. You just know she isn't good enough.

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Nas wrote:
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nas is just doing his nas thing in this thread.
The indefensible position.

It's pretty clear that a woman cannot compete with men in sports. Otherwise... there would be women in pro sports with men. but there's not. Why? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH MEN.

Why else would there be no women in pro leagues like the NHL, MLB, NBA and NFL? They'd sell tickets if they could compete and a team could have them on the roster.
But they can't. Which is why this whole thread is stupid as fuck.


Let's not act as if they wouldn't be discriminated against. David Stern admitted that was likely the reason Jeremy Lin wasn't drafted or given a shot. Let's face it a lot of men don't think women can do anything other than house work better than men. There are probably more men who hold this believe than there are men who are racists.


Dude, are you serious? I've refrained from commenting on prior affirmative action posts, but are you really making this a diversity issue? It is professional sports - perhaps the most competitive industry there is. If a woman could help win a championship, the market would allow it. They can't, so they don't. They are physically incapable of playing pro sports with men. It is clearly true, and you have no evidence to the contrary. I would even argue that talking about Griner in the NBA is detrimental to all the hard work done to make women's athletics relevant. Stop yourself.

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When an overweight 75 year old Jordan can beat your best player in a 1 on 1 you have some issues.


Jordan couldn't beat any player on any NBA team 1 on 1. Just more Jordan bullshit myth-making. It's not enough for the jerk-off to be the consensus greatest that ever played and nail whatever hot pussy he wants. He has to cheat at golf and lie about beating Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

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Her weight has nothing to do with the fact that the men she would be facing are just naturally stronger than her. Guards who are smaller than her will still be physically stronger than her.


This is exactly right. Men are just stronger than women. And before Ivan or somebody else feels it necessary to say that Griner would kick the shit out of everyone on this board, let me point out we're not discussing some pantsless cretins on CSFMB, but rather the supposed best athletes in the world. In fact, having seen Ivan in person, I'd suggest if he took a few months to sharpen his game he could easily out-muscle Brittney Griner.


In fairness to Jordan Gilchrist said it. Others have also mentioned how well Jordan can look in practice. Obviously he can't do that everyday. They said he was in the trainers room for about a week after that game.

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One reason guys like Kevin Durant are thriving in today's NBA is because the game has become far less physical than it was in the past--hand-checking's a no-no and battling for position down on the blocks no longer resembles NFL linemen battling for real estate. Check out youtube clips of Laimbeer-McHale from the late-80's.

As Chuck Klosterman has pointed out, men's college basketball is actually more physical than NBA ball these days, in terms of what the officials will let the players get away with.

Pretty much any contact in today's NBA results in the offensive player going to the FT line.

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Nas wrote:
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nas is just doing his nas thing in this thread.
The indefensible position.

It's pretty clear that a woman cannot compete with men in sports. Otherwise... there would be women in pro sports with men. but there's not. Why? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH MEN.

Why else would there be no women in pro leagues like the NHL, MLB, NBA and NFL? They'd sell tickets if they could compete and a team could have them on the roster.
But they can't. Which is why this whole thread is stupid as fuck.


Let's not act as if they wouldn't be discriminated against. David Stern admitted that was likely the reason Jeremy Lin wasn't drafted or given a shot. Let's face it a lot of men don't think women can do anything other than house work better than men. There are probably more men who hold this believe than there are men who are racists.

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You show me a woman who can play basketball with men and I'll show you a woman signed to an NBA team who makes them money by introducing a new fanbase to the NBA.
Until you can find a woman who can actually play amongst me this conversation is stupid as fuck, because it's not possible yet.
Sorry. There isn't one. When there is one, she will be given a chance. Because she'll be worth her weight in gold.
It's not that they don't want a woman or won't give one a chance. It's that none can do it yet.

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I think it's possible. It would more likely happen if she was given a fair chance to develop but just based on the fact she is a woman it is unlikely she will be given a fair chance to develop.
No. Answer yes or no. Do you think it will happen? No excuses please. She was loved at Baylor, and Baylor basketball could really have used a future NBA player on the team. For some reason though, she never even played one game for the men.

She'll get her NBA shot too. You just know she isn't good enough.


I think she can in a couple seasons.

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