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Looks like the Lakers are better than we thought even without LeBron.


Or Golden State is worse. They had essentially caught LA when LeBron went out, and then get destroyed?

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Looks like the Lakers are better than we thought even without LeBron.


Or Golden State is worse. They had essentially caught LA when LeBron went out, and then get destroyed?


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Golden State's bench is weaker this year and they have no rim protection. They have always had a guy on the back line that could rim protect. Whether it was Bogut or McGee there was rim protection. Its a layup line with them this year.


Klay Thompson has always been the key to their team IMO. He has been woefully inconsistent this year. They don't win this year unless he gets it going. The Lakers trapped Durant and Curry and didn't even bother with Draymond Green. They might as well been in San Jose (did someone bother to state that its still the same market?) as far as he was concerned.

Teams in the West have more than a punchers chance and so do the teams in the East.

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That bitch is still ringless without LBJ and failed to make the finals. He also didn't make All NBA on any of the three teams. He's not in any conversation about the top ten players.

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Big Game Kyrie shows up again. Veganfan nowhere to be found.


That bitch is still ringless without LBJ and failed to make the finals. He also didn't make All NBA on any of the three teams. He's not in any conversation about the top ten players.


I gurarantee that you won't put anything up on him being on Any of the All NBA teams this year. He would have made it last season if it weren't for the injury. Conveniently omitted i see.

Very likely would have made the Finals too. Also conveniently omitted. Glad to see that you still have some fight though it is ignorantly placed.

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Big Game Kyrie shows up again. Veganfan nowhere to be found.


That bitch is still ringless without LBJ and failed to make the finals. He also didn't make All NBA on any of the three teams. He's not in any conversation about the top ten players.


I gurarantee that you won't put anything up on him being on Any of the All NBA teams this year. He would have made it last season if it weren't for the injury. Conveniently omitted i see.


He's always injured. He'll make all NBA. He's never made it past the third team. Wonder why (because he's overrated). He'll never win a ring without LBJ though.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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Big Game Kyrie shows up again. Veganfan nowhere to be found.


That bitch is still ringless without LBJ and failed to make the finals. He also didn't make All NBA on any of the three teams. He's not in any conversation about the top ten players.


I gurarantee that you won't put anything up on him being on Any of the All NBA teams this year. He would have made it last season if it weren't for the injury. Conveniently omitted i see.


He's always injured. He'll make all NBA. He's never made it past the third team. Wonder why (because he's overrated). He'll never win a ring without LBJ though.



Lebron's last ring will be with him as his teammate. Lebron also will not make the playoffs this season.

He plays a position that is the deepest in the league. May be why he has never made it past third team. Doesn't mean he is overrated.

He has proven to be a true difference maker and he was an All Star (2x in first 3 seasons) without ever being Lebron's teammate. You can carry on with the won't be shit without Lebron narrative but its false.

Interesting that player after player happen to see it exactly as he saw it 2 years ago. Durant being the latest.

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long time guy wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Big Game Kyrie shows up again. Veganfan nowhere to be found.


That bitch is still ringless without LBJ and failed to make the finals. He also didn't make All NBA on any of the three teams. He's not in any conversation about the top ten players.


I gurarantee that you won't put anything up on him being on Any of the All NBA teams this year. He would have made it last season if it weren't for the injury. Conveniently omitted i see.


He's always injured. He'll make all NBA. He's never made it past the third team. Wonder why (because he's overrated). He'll never win a ring without LBJ though.



Lebron's last ring will be with him as his teammate. Lebron also will not make the playoffs this season.

He plays a position that is the deepest in the league. May be why he has never made it past third team. Doesn't mean he is overrated.

He has proven to be a true difference maker and he was an All Star (2x in first 3 seasons) without ever being Lebron's teammate. You can carry on with the won't be shit without Lebron narrative but its false.

Interesting that player after player happen to see it exactly as he saw it 2 years ago. Durant being the latest.


What?

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veganfan21 wrote:
long time guy wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Big Game Kyrie shows up again. Veganfan nowhere to be found.


That bitch is still ringless without LBJ and failed to make the finals. He also didn't make All NBA on any of the three teams. He's not in any conversation about the top ten players.


I gurarantee that you won't put anything up on him being on Any of the All NBA teams this year. He would have made it last season if it weren't for the injury. Conveniently omitted i see.


He's always injured. He'll make all NBA. He's never made it past the third team. Wonder why (because he's overrated). He'll never win a ring without LBJ though.



Lebron's last ring will be with him as his teammate. Lebron also will not make the playoffs this season.

He plays a position that is the deepest in the league. May be why he has never made it past third team. Doesn't mean he is overrated.

He has proven to be a true difference maker and he was an All Star (2x in first 3 seasons) without ever being Lebron's teammate. You can carry on with the won't be shit without Lebron narrative but its false.

Interesting that player after player happen to see it exactly as he saw it 2 years ago. Durant being the latest.


What?


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Kevin Durant calls environment playing with LeBron James 'toxic;' says it ventures beyond the basketball court
By Chris Bengel Dec 6, 2018 • 2 min read

It's been well-documented that the Los Angeles Lakers made arguably the biggest splash of the offseason when they signed LeBron James.

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Following James' signing with the Lakers, the team signed several veterans, who would certainly have to make sacrifices in order to play alongside a player of LeBron's caliber. However, Kevin Durant doesn't quite understand why anyone would want to play with LeBron because it makes for a "toxic" environment. From Ric Bucher of Bleacher Report:

"So much hype comes from being around LeBron from other people," Durant said. "He has so many fanboys in the media. Even the beat writers just fawn over him. I'm like, we're playing basketball here, and it's not even about basketball at certain points. So I get why anyone wouldn't want to be in that environment because it's toxic. Especially when the attention is bullshit attention, fluff. It's not LeBron's fault at all; it's just the fact you have so many groupies in the media that love to hang on every word. Just get out of the way and let us play basketball."

Durant's comments don't make it seem like he is attacking James. It sounds like Durant is just pointing out that James' presence looms largely over a franchise and that other players have to make incredible sacrifices in order for a franchise to be successful over the course of the season. After all, veteran center Tyson Chandler signed with the team after being bought out by the Phoenix Suns and admitted just days before he signed that you have to "be able to coexist" with James.

"If you've got LeBron, you've got to make it all about LeBron," Chandler said. "You've got to be able to [coexist] with that and fit with that. Who are you, where are you in your career, and how do you fit in? It's a sacrifice, but it's a sacrifice for winning."


Durant, whose Warriors are back in action on Wednesday against the Cavaliers (7 p.m. ET -- watch on fuboTV with the NBA League Pass extension), also pointed out that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were forced to ultimately alter their styles of play once James arrived with the Cleveland Cavaliers and Miami Heat, respectively.

"Kevin Love, he had to totally change his game to fit, to be a shooter," Durant said. "Which, I think, he deserves way more credit for switching his game. Bosh, same way. LeBron is a player that needs to play with guys that already know how they play the game -- and shooters. Like, young players that are still developing, it's always going to be hard because he demands the ball so much, he demands control of the offense and he creates for everybody."

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That article says players have to sacrifice to win.

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That article says players have to sacrifice to win.


Tyson Chandler made that comment. Not Durant. Don't conflate.

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Lot of bad in the NBA this year. No one team any good. Everyone too worried about their supermax contracts, what culotte to wear to their postgame interview, or if their intagram post helps their brand.


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Lot of bad in the NBA this year. No one team any good. Everyone too worried about their supermax contracts, what culotte to wear to their postgame interview, or if their intagram post helps their brand.



Nah its parity. That is what everyone wanted remember. They hated Superteams and predictability and it seems that they have gotten their wish.

There is less predictibility this year which people should be happy about. We know Lebron won't be in the Finals. Thought that would make MANY happy.

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That article says players have to sacrifice to win.


Tyson Chandler made that comment. Not Durant. Don't conflate.


Durant didn't say anything to support what you're saying either. Here's a direct quote:

"It's not LeBron's fault at all" Did you read this before posting?

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veganfan21 wrote:
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That article says players have to sacrifice to win.


Tyson Chandler made that comment. Not Durant. Don't conflate.


Durant didn't say anything to support what you're saying either. Here's a direct quote:

"It's not LeBron's fault at all" Did you read this before posting?


1.He said that he doesn't understand why people would want to play with Lebron.

2.He said the environment around Lebron is "toxic".


3. He said that guys just want to play basketball. Sort of what Kyrie implied once he left.


4. He stated that very good to great players have had to adjust their games i.e. Bosh and Love in order to play with him.


5. He has a lot of "fanboys " in the media that will

(A). Provide Lebron with all of the credit when the team wins (As you have often done)


(B) diss the shit out of the other players whenever the team loses. Also as you have done.


Did you read the article? If he wasn't dissing playing with Lebron then what in the hell was he doing?

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Lot of bad in the NBA this year. No one team any good. Everyone too worried about their supermax contracts, what culotte to wear to their postgame interview, or if their intagram post helps their brand.



Nah its parity. That is what everyone wanted remember. They hated Superteams and predictability and it seems that they have gotten their wish.

There is less predictibility this year which people should be happy about. We know Lebron won't be in the Finals. Thought that would make MANY happy.


Do we know that? He certainly shouldn't be, but the Lakers are 2.5 out of first in the conference.

Parity is fine, but when the whole damn league is the same, it makes for very blah everything.


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veganfan21 wrote:
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That article says players have to sacrifice to win.


Tyson Chandler made that comment. Not Durant. Don't conflate.


Durant didn't say anything to support what you're saying either. Here's a direct quote:

"It's not LeBron's fault at all" Did you read this before posting?


1.He said that he doesn't understand why people would want to play with Lebron.

2.He said the environment around Lebron is "toxic".


3. He said that guys just want to play basketball. Sort of what Kyrie implied once he left.


4. He stated that very good to great players have had to adjust their games i.e. Bosh and Love in order to play with him.


5. He has a lot of "fanboys " in the media that will

(A). Provide Lebron with all of the credit when the team wins (As you have often done)


(B) diss the shit out of the other players whenever the team loses. Also as you have done.


Did you read the article? If he wasn't dissing playing with Lebron then what in the hell was he doing?


Not only did you not read the article you also just put words in his mouth that he didn't say nor imply.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
That article says players have to sacrifice to win.


Tyson Chandler made that comment. Not Durant. Don't conflate.


Durant didn't say anything to support what you're saying either. Here's a direct quote:

"It's not LeBron's fault at all" Did you read this before posting?


1.He said that he doesn't understand why people would want to play with Lebron.

2.He said the environment around Lebron is "toxic".


3. He said that guys just want to play basketball. Sort of what Kyrie implied once he left.


4. He stated that very good to great players have had to adjust their games i.e. Bosh and Love in order to play with him.


5. He has a lot of "fanboys " in the media that will

(A). Provide Lebron with all of the credit when the team wins (As you have often done)


(B) diss the shit out of the other players whenever the team loses. Also as you have done.


Did you read the article? If he wasn't dissing playing with Lebron then what in the hell was he doing?


Not only did you not read the article you also just put words in his mouth that he didn't say nor imply.



You're trying to spin it because it doesn't fit you narrative. He specifically said he understands "why anyone wouldn't want to play in that environment".

If what i am staing then why did Lebron and his entourage take it exactly as I took it to mean?


I was a little pissed off when I first heard it — to be honest. I didn’t know where it stemmed from. So I was pissed, my family was pissed, and my friends was pissed. We just didn’t know why, at this point and time in the season, my name or what I’ve done in my career was kind of talked about like that. I don’t feel like it’s ever been toxic around me. And when I hear “toxic,” I automatically thought, “toxic” is like you don’t wanna be around that because it’s almost like a fatal disease.

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long time guy wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
That article says players have to sacrifice to win.


Tyson Chandler made that comment. Not Durant. Don't conflate.


Durant didn't say anything to support what you're saying either. Here's a direct quote:

"It's not LeBron's fault at all" Did you read this before posting?


1.He said that he doesn't understand why people would want to play with Lebron.

2.He said the environment around Lebron is "toxic".


3. He said that guys just want to play basketball. Sort of what Kyrie implied once he left.


4. He stated that very good to great players have had to adjust their games i.e. Bosh and Love in order to play with him.


5. He has a lot of "fanboys " in the media that will

(A). Provide Lebron with all of the credit when the team wins (As you have often done)


(B) diss the shit out of the other players whenever the team loses. Also as you have done.


Did you read the article? If he wasn't dissing playing with Lebron then what in the hell was he doing?


Not only did you not read the article you also just put words in his mouth that he didn't say nor imply.



You're trying to spin it because it doesn't fit you narrative. He specifically said he understands "why anyone wouldn't want to play in that environment".

If what i am staing then why did Lebron and his entourage take it exactly as I took it to mean?


I was a little pissed off when I first heard it — to be honest. I didn’t know where it stemmed from. So I was pissed, my family was pissed, and my friends was pissed. We just didn’t know why, at this point and time in the season, my name or what I’ve done in my career was kind of talked about like that. I don’t feel like it’s ever been toxic around me. And when I hear “toxic,” I automatically thought, “toxic” is like you don’t wanna be around that because it’s almost like a fatal disease.


Fact: KD didn't call LBJ toxic.

Fact: KD said the toxicity is the media's fault and not LBJ's

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veganfan21 wrote:
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Tyson Chandler made that comment. Not Durant. Don't conflate.


Durant didn't say anything to support what you're saying either. Here's a direct quote:

"It's not LeBron's fault at all" Did you read this before posting?


1.He said that he doesn't understand why people would want to play with Lebron.

2.He said the environment around Lebron is "toxic".


3. He said that guys just want to play basketball. Sort of what Kyrie implied once he left.


4. He stated that very good to great players have had to adjust their games i.e. Bosh and Love in order to play with him.


5. He has a lot of "fanboys " in the media that will

(A). Provide Lebron with all of the credit when the team wins (As you have often done)


(B) diss the shit out of the other players whenever the team loses. Also as you have done.


Did you read the article? If he wasn't dissing playing with Lebron then what in the hell was he doing?


Not only did you not read the article you also just put words in his mouth that he didn't say nor imply.



You're trying to spin it because it doesn't fit you narrative. He specifically said he understands "why anyone wouldn't want to play in that environment".

If what i am staing then why did Lebron and his entourage take it exactly as I took it to mean?


I was a little pissed off when I first heard it — to be honest. I didn’t know where it stemmed from. So I was pissed, my family was pissed, and my friends was pissed. We just didn’t know why, at this point and time in the season, my name or what I’ve done in my career was kind of talked about like that. I don’t feel like it’s ever been toxic around me. And when I hear “toxic,” I automatically thought, “toxic” is like you don’t wanna be around that because it’s almost like a fatal disease.


Fact: KD didn't call LBJ toxic.

Fact: KD said the toxicity is the media's fault and not LBJ's



Fact: Lebron interpreted the comments exactly as I interpreted them.

There is actually more to it also.

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KD is trying to out recruit LeBron next year. He will fail miserably. I understood the purpose of the comments.

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Golden State's bench is weaker this year and they have no rim protection. They have always had a guy on the back line that could rim protect. Whether it was Bogut or McGee there was rim protection. Its a layup line with them this year.


Klay Thompson has always been the key to their team IMO. He has been woefully inconsistent this year. They don't win this year unless he gets it going. The Lakers trapped Durant and Curry and didn't even bother with Draymond Green. They might as well been in San Jose (did someone bother to state that its still the same market?) as far as he was concerned.

Teams in the West have more than a punchers chance and so do the teams in the East.


I will go with Golden St until someone proves otherwise. Just like the smart play was to go with Lebron in the East until proven otherwise.

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If you read an article that says "the toxicity is not LBJ's fault at all" and conclude that the article says the toxicity is in fact LBJ's fault then you need help.

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If you read an article that says "the toxicity is not LBJ's fault at all" and conclude that the article says the toxicity is in fact LBJ's fault then you need help.



The guy in question and his entourage took it that way. It doesn't matter how you or I feel. Lebron James took it that way. He should have in fact.


In addition was the actual subjugation that guys who play with Lebron have to undergo. This was the more pertinent point and one I know you will conveniently overlook. Its what makes the Kyrie bashing look rather silly.

"It depends on what kind of player you are," Durant said of who fits and who doesn't with James. "If you're Kyle Korver, then it makes sense. Because Kyle Korver in Atlanta was the bulk of the offense, and he's not a No. 1 option at all, not even close. So his talents benefit more from a guy who can pass and penetrate and get him open."


He went on: "If you're a younger player like a Kawhi [Leonard], trying to pair him with LeBron James doesn't really make sense. Kawhi enjoys having the ball in his hands, controlling the offense, dictating the tempo with his post-ups; it's how he plays the game. A lot of young players are developing that skill. They don't need another guy."

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And then there was this. Sure he will be hoping for another injury so that he can makes this bullshit nonsensical comment come to fruition.

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Doesn't mean shit. He's riding LBJ's coattails. When he's on his own he won't get past the second round unless he's got an all pro on his team.

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You could've grabbed the Lakers at +325 midway through the 1st quarter on Bovada. Looked like the Warriors weren't interested from the beginning.


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did great on the NFL over the weekened and picked 0 correct games yesterday. d'oh.

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Lot of bad in the NBA this year. No one team any good. Everyone too worried about their supermax contracts, what culotte to wear to their postgame interview, or if their intagram post helps their brand.



Nah its parity. That is what everyone wanted remember. They hated Superteams and predictability and it seems that they have gotten their wish.

There is less predictibility this year which people should be happy about. We know Lebron won't be in the Finals. Thought that would make MANY happy.


Do we know that? He certainly shouldn't be, but the Lakers are 2.5 out of first in the conference.

Parity is fine, but when the whole damn league is the same, it makes for very blah everything.



I got him (actually placed a couple of bets) to not make the playoffs this year. They are about to get into the tough part of the schedule. They have played a lot of cupcake teams. There is a jumble from 4 to 10 and even teams like Utah Sac Memphis and Dallas will have something to say.

The Lakers are about to start fading and fading fast.

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