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How bad have the Spurs handled everything with Richard Jefferson? He opted out of his deal two season ago, which I would consider a blessing to San Antonio, and then they stupidly re-signed him. Now they are going to amnesty him? Dumb move by an otherwise bright organization.


The Spurs are handling this in the best way possible, all things considered. Sure, they got themselves in a mess with Jefferson in the first place, but like you said Jefferson opting out saved the Spurs $18 million for that one year. Only way he agrees to do that is if the Spurs agree to sign him for a longer contract at less money. Thus the amnesty now.


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These rumors about the Lakers trying to land Howard and Paul are completely absurd. Bynum, Gasol, and Odom probably wouldn't be enough to land one of those guys, and there's no package to put together to get both of them.

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These rumors about the Lakers trying to land Howard and Paul are completely absurd. Bynum, Gasol, and Odom probably wouldn't be enough to land one of those guys, and there's no package to put together to get both of them.


Agreed. I'm not clear on the Lakers' salary cap situation, but it seems even more beyond the realm of possibility than the Heat getting LeBron and Bosh did last season.


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These rumors about the Lakers trying to land Howard and Paul are completely absurd. Bynum, Gasol, and Odom probably wouldn't be enough to land one of those guys, and there's no package to put together to get both of them.


Agreed. I'm not clear on the Lakers' salary cap situation, but it seems even more beyond the realm of possibility than the Heat getting LeBron and Bosh did last season.

The Lakers were way over the cap last season. They will probably amnesty Artest, which will free up some money, but if I am the Magic or Hornets GM, I wouldn't want Bynum, Gasol, or Odom. Odom and Gasol are old, and Bynum seems like he will never reach his potential.

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These rumors about the Lakers trying to land Howard and Paul are completely absurd. Bynum, Gasol, and Odom probably wouldn't be enough to land one of those guys, and there's no package to put together to get both of them.


What? I would rather have Gasol than Howard and a healthy Bynum may actually be a better fit in Orlando than Howard. Bynum can shoot and he's not a guy that demands the ball every play. Odom is one of the best players in the league whenever he decides to play (doesn't happen often).

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These rumors about the Lakers trying to land Howard and Paul are completely absurd. Bynum, Gasol, and Odom probably wouldn't be enough to land one of those guys, and there's no package to put together to get both of them.


What? I would rather have Gasol than Howard and a healthy Bynum may actually be a better fit in Orlando than Howard. Bynum can shoot and he's not a guy that demands the ball every play. Odom is one of the best players in the league whenever he decides to play (doesn't happen often).

You're crazy. Gasol is definitely on the decline, a healthy Bynum doesn't exist, and Odom is very overrated due to playing with one of the GOAT. Odom will also breakdown probably soon.

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Gasol had his best year statistically last year IIRC.

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Gasol had his best year statistically last year IIRC.



Tell that to the playoffs


I never said he wasn't Tin Man. Even though it appeared Kobe had taken him to see the Wizard the year before.

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Sam Smith Talks about some of the names being batted around here. I didn't know Butler's agent is the same guy that represented Ben Gordon. From yesterday...

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-- A further sign of what a great league it is: Reports have the Knicks “wish list” for a center including Kwame Brown, Tony Battie and Aaron Gray. If that’s who you are hoping for I’m guessing you are not that close to a title. An agent shouldn’t be a detriment to any signing, but Caron Butler is represented by Raymond Brothers, who was the agent for Ben Gordon in the contentious negotiations in which Brothers leveled all sorts of scurrilous allegations against the Bulls. Bobcats coach Paul Silas talked to the Charlotte Observer about Corey Maggette being the “focal point” of the offense with Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace gone. That ought to be an interesting offense with Maggette and Tyrus Thomas not exactly your most unselfish players. As often as they look up they might not even know who their teammates are.

-- Lots of guessing who’ll get the Shawn Kemp award starting Friday. It was Kemp who at the end of the 1998-99 lockout came into Cavs camp about 75 pounds overweight to effectively begin the end of his career... Might be tough for Jannero Pargo to make it back after surgeries. But brother Jeremy might be an interesting backup guard option for cheap after he played in Israel... Though Portland wants him back, Joel Przybilla figures to end up with the Bucks as he keeps a home in Wisconsin... The Grizzlies have tried to move O.J. Mayo for a power forward, Josh McRoberts or J.J. Hickson, twice since last trading deadline. You assume then they’d take Taj Gibson without hesitation.

--There was speculation last week Tyson Chandler was angling for $20 million annually, Nene almost $18 million and Marc Gasol almost $15 million. That would be one reason to sit out free agency this season as none really would make enough of a difference as free agents to justify that kind of salary. But that’s also why the players’ argument that owners don’t have to overpay players was specious. Yes, they do. Teams have to spend almost up to the $57 annual salary cap, and if those are elite free agents it tells you there aren’t nearly enough good players to go around and the new labor agreement isn’t going to change much the way business has been done. ... One free agent you don’t hear much talk about is Andrei Kirilenko, who is playing in Russia. Of course, the consensus is he’ll stay, but he’d be an intriguing addition... With all the free agency talk, much overlooked is a couple of interesting debuts this season: Minnesota point guard Ricky Rubio and the Kings’ Jimmer, and whether they can play in the NBA. ... With rookie Enes Kanter, Derrick Favors, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap and Mehmet Okur, once the free agency excitement clears you assume there’ll be a lot of talk with the Jazz. ... The new Warriors owners are sounding like the next Mark Cuban with lots of public talk and rumors surrounding many big names and promises to spend. They’ll be interesting to watch.

-- Perhaps all you need to know about Brandon Roy now was the revealing comment of Portland executive Larry Miller to the Oregonian: "If Brandon were to accept mentally that 'I'm not that guy anymore, but I will do whatever I can to help the team,' it would make it easier to keep him around. We know every so often he is going to give us that game, and be the Brandon Roy of old, but mentally accepting where his game is, that's the bigger challenge for him. I don't know if he is there, or if he can get there." That’s really the danger of taking a shot at any former star, like Vince Carter, to take a role playing position. Teams are wondering how Michael Redd’s attitude will be as he’s now a backup player, at best. ... Watch out for the Clippers this season. The Los Angeles Times said they reached out immediately with their cap room to free agent forwards Caron Butler and Tayshaun Prince. With Griffin, Eric Gordon and DeAndre Jordan and a small forward they should make a nice move as they figure to try to make a deal for Chris Kaman. In the final year of his contract, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Knicks make a move for Kaman for Chauncey Billups, who would be a stabilizing veteran also in his final season for the Clippers at point guard.

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Though Portland wants him back, Joel Przybilla figures to end up with the Bucks as he keeps a home in Wisconsin...



The Bucks already have 12 guaranteed contracts. Not including Mbah a Moute, who they also want to keep. So Prz can come back to Wisconsin and watch the Bucks, but it will be from home on his sofa.

If you can get rid of 1 contract, why wouldn't they get rid of Gooden's contract while they can. That is a bad deal.

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Though Portland wants him back, Joel Przybilla figures to end up with the Bucks as he keeps a home in Wisconsin...



The Bucks already have 12 guaranteed contracts. Not including Mbah a Moute, who they also want to keep. So Prz can come back to Wisconsin and watch the Bucks, but it will be from home on his sofa.

Can't you carry 15 contracts? What's wrong with making your roster even more SOLID?

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And shut up Sam Smith. Just cause he lives in Wisconsin doesn't mean the Bucks have to sign him.

Easy KS. Sam Smith is just as entitled to his opinions as Carrie.


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Instead of pursuing Howard and Paul, why don't the Lakers try to go after Steve Nash and Howard instead. They can probably get Nash fairly cheaply because he is in the last year of his deal, and may only play 1 additional season after this one. Phoenix can start their rebuilding that they should have started last season, and the Lakers would have more to offer Orlando in a package for Dwight Howard.

Nash, Howard, Kobe = Pretty damn scary.

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I laugh every time I see the headline "Source: Lakers want to acquire Howard and Paul". No shit, I'm pretty sure the Bobcats want both of them too, but let's talk about realistic possible transactions.

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I laugh every time I see the headline "Source: Lakers want to acquire Howard and Paul". No shit, I'm pretty sure the Bobcats want both of them too, but let's talk about realistic possible transactions.

I agree.

But I think they could possibly land Nash and Howard maybe. Plus, Nash's deal would be off the books next year, and they would have room to add a max deal player.

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Nash may just do something crazy like sign with NYC (D’Antoni) and give it a shot there.


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Hmmm. Golden State, eh? Who gets moved: Steph Curry or Monta Ellis?


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Hmmm. Golden State, eh? Who gets moved: Steph Curry or Monta Ellis?



Well, according to that article, they're saying Curry, Udoh and Klay Thompson.


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Hmmm. Golden State, eh? Who gets moved: Steph Curry or Monta Ellis?

It would have to be Curry. Ellis wouldn't be good enough to center a deal around.

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I really do think that the Clippers and Warriors both have alot more commodoties to offer than most teams.

For some reason, everybody always wants to be a Laker, but at least these other teams get you into California. And hell, the Clippers even get you into the same building as the Lakers.

I'm not so sure trading for a Paul, or a Howard or the like is such a good idea for teams not named the Lakers, Mavericks, Celtics........

You better get that player to sign an extension as part of the entire trade scenario.

I really doubt the Celtics can resign him. I think itd be stupid to deal Rondo for him for that reason. It'd basically be going all-in this season and blowing it up entirely after the season. I think Rondo is good enough to build a team around that's why they should keep him.

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Alls I know is that Golden State is basically unbeatable in NBA2K12. At least in online play. :P


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Even though the season starts on Christmas the schedule makers still felt the need to give the Bulls a 9 game road trip.

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Even though the season starts on Christmas the schedule makers still felt the need to give the Bulls a 9 game road trip.

Yeah, that blows. Also, 7 of their first 9 games are on the road. Including starting the season with 4 games on the west coast.

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Why does everyone seem to be ok with the idea of Tyson Chandler getting $15-20 million a year? He's worth a full MLE, maybe a little more. The top free agents in this class are about to get comically overpaid and Gasol is the only one that has potential of justifying a huge contract.

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Why does everyone seem to be ok with the idea of Tyson Chandler getting $15-20 million a year? He's worth a full MLE, maybe a little more. The top free agents in this class are about to get comically overpaid and Gasol is the only one that has potential of justifying a huge contract.

It really is funny. It's like this lockout solved nothing. I think it makes it even worse for the small market teams. Now they are required to get even closer to the cap level than before, and the superstars are still not going to want to go there, so there are going to be stuck overpaying for bums.

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Agreed. The Chandler contract thing reminds me of a rich man's version of Jerome James getting paid after a few good playoff games. At least Chandler won a title though.

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Apparently the Hornets are most interested in Curry and Eric Gordon. Rondo is better than both, I'm surprised they wouldn't target him more.

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The thought of Chris Paul throwing alley oops to Blake Griffen is an idea I can get behind.

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The thought of Chris Paul throwing alley oops to Blake Griffen is an idea I can get behind.

That seems like a no brainer move to me. Anyone that could bring a championship to the Clippers would be a hero. Why would you not want to build that kind of legacy? Plus, you get to live in LA.

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The thought of Chris Paul throwing alley oops to Blake Griffen is an idea I can get behind.

That seems like a no brainer move to me. Anyone that could bring a championship to the Clippers would be a hero. Why would you not want to build that kind of legacy? Plus, you get to live in LA.

Plus LA fans are bandwagon fans and Kobe only has at most 2 years of relevance left in the tank

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