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Does Reggie Miller Belong in the Hall of Fame?
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Are you kidding me? Who was helping you win a title more, Alex English or Dennis Rodman? It's not close really. You're vastly overemphasizing scoring vs defense.

And Walter Davis may have been a better player than Scottie Pippen. It's JORR, ladies and gentlemen.

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Probably one of the best clutch shooters of all time. Of course he's in.


Robert Horry - HOFer?

He did more than just hit clutch shots. I'm just saying the guy was money in the final seconds of games. His career 3 point numbers are also something to consider. He also played at a high level for a very long time. He's a HOF'er.


Horry has 7 NBA titles over the same time period and probably hit more clutch shots that really mattered than Miller. His 3 point numbers are inflated because he played 18 years.

Miller is all reputation and little substance. Everyone remembers his battles with the Knicks and his mouth. But he was nothing more than a good scorer on a team that only went to one NBA Finals. He didn't rebound, he didn't pass, he didn't play much defense other than holding people. He isn't even the best basketball player in his family.


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More than Rodman does.

No. They both belong in the Hall but Rodman is one of the best rebounders ever and one of the best and most versatile defensive players ever.


Rodman gave up the need to score in order to play defense and rebound. He was one of the best ever at both. During the last 3-peat the Bulls had the 2 most versatile defenders in the NBA.

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During the last 3-peat the Bulls had the 2 most versatile defenders in the NBA.

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He did more than just hit clutch shots. I'm just saying the guy was money in the final seconds of games. His career 3 point numbers are also something to consider. He also played at a high level for a very long time. He's a HOF'er.


Horry has 7 NBA titles over the same time period and probably hit more clutch shots that really mattered than Miller. His 3 point numbers are inflated because he played 18 years.

Miller is all reputation and little substance. Everyone remembers his battles with the Knicks and his mouth. But he was nothing more than a good scorer on a team that only went to one NBA Finals. He didn't rebound, he didn't pass, he didn't play much defense other than holding people. He isn't even the best basketball player in his family.

Is this a not so subtle way of telling us not to take your basketball thoughts seriously?

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During the last 3-peat the Bulls had the 2 most versatile defenders in the NBA.

:D


Ron Harper and Toni Kukoc

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Are you kidding me? Who was helping you win a title more, Alex English or Dennis Rodman? It's not close really. You're vastly overemphasizing scoring vs defense.


Would you really take Rodman over Alex English if yiu were picking teams?

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Also, the best player he ever had on his team was Rik Smits. :lol: :lol: :lol:


He played with Chuck Person and a young Jalen Rose. There was a lot of talent on those teams.

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Are you kidding me? Who was helping you win a title more, Alex English or Dennis Rodman? It's not close really. You're vastly overemphasizing scoring vs defense.


Would you really take Rodman over Alex English if yiu were picking teams?

If we were doing a shot-contest, no.

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Also, the best player he ever had on his team was Rik Smits. :lol: :lol: :lol:


He played with Chuck Person and a young Jalen Rose. There was a lot of talent on those teams.


he also played with Chris Mullin, HOF'er 8)


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Also, the best player he ever had on his team was Rik Smits. :lol: :lol: :lol:


He played with Chuck Person and a young Jalen Rose. There was a lot of talent on those teams.

As well as a young Detlef Scherempf and one of the most underrated point guards in the NBA, Mark Jackson.

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Also, the best player he ever had on his team was Rik Smits. :lol: :lol: :lol:


He played with Chuck Person and a young Jalen Rose. There was a lot of talent on those teams.


he also played with Chris Mullin, HOF'er 8)

It was a well past his prime Chris Mullin though.

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Is this a not so subtle way of telling us not to take your basketball thoughts seriously?


Hardly. If you think a guy who averaged 18, 3, 3 is an elite scorer who dominated the NBA, then thats fine. He only went to 5 all-star games as well. If you put him in, you are opening up the door for a bunch of other players who were good, but not great.

Hall of Fame is for the best, not the really good basketball players.


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Are you kidding me? Who was helping you win a title more, Alex English or Dennis Rodman? It's not close really. You're vastly overemphasizing scoring vs defense.

Alex English was awesome.

Rodman played with Hall of Famers at every stop


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Yes. No question.

He and Karl Malone probably are the biggest victims of "My prime is during the Jordan years".


Patrick Ewing just called and Barkley could be heard in the background. Magic emailed about winning one without Kareem

Brad Daugherty and Shawn Kemp are angry with you.

Brad Daugherty was garbage. He doesnt belong near that list.


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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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Are you kidding me? Who was helping you win a title more, Alex English or Dennis Rodman? It's not close really. You're vastly overemphasizing scoring vs defense.

And Walter Davis may have been a better player than Scottie Pippen. It's JORR, ladies and gentlemen.


I never said that. I said Davis was a better scorer, which he was. Do you want to argue that and show yourself to be an NBA fan who doesnt know shit or a Pippen fanboy?

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Are you kidding me? Who was helping you win a title more, Alex English or Dennis Rodman? It's not close really. You're vastly overemphasizing scoring vs defense.


Would you really take Rodman over Alex English if yiu were picking teams?

Of course. That's an easy decision. I can find a bunch of other guys that can score. I can't find many others that can do what Rodman can.

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I never said that. I said Davis was a better scorer, which he was. Do you want to argue that and show yourself to be an NBA fan who doesnt know shit or a Pippen fanboy?

Wow. Ease up, son.

I'm not debating that Walter Davis was a better scorer than Pippen. There were a lot of players who put up higher scoring numbers. If I remember, the debate was whether or not you could insert Walter Davis in Pippen's role on the championship Bulls and receive the same outcomes. I don't believe you could.

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he also played with Chris Mullin, HOF'er 8)

It was a well past his prime Chris Mullin though.


Mullin was always in his prime


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Brad Daugherty was garbage. He doesnt belong near that list.

I disagree. His career was cut short by injuries. If Daugherty played today, he'd be better than Dwight Howard.

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Are you kidding me? Who was helping you win a title more, Alex English or Dennis Rodman? It's not close really. You're vastly overemphasizing scoring vs defense.


Would you really take Rodman over Alex English if yiu were picking teams?

Of course. That's an easy decision. I can find a bunch of other guys that can score. I can't find many others that can do what Rodman can.


Okay. So who are the "bunch of other guys" who scored like English? Not Reggie Miller.

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If Daugherty played today, he'd be better than Dwight Howard.


Pump your brakes, son


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Okay. So who are the "bunch of other guys" who scored like English? Not Reggie Miller.


Bernard King
Ricky Pierce


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I never said that. I said Davis was a better scorer, which he was. Do you want to argue that and show yourself to be an NBA fan who doesnt know shit or a Pippen fanboy?

Wow. Ease up, son.

I'm not debating that Walter Davis was a better scorer than Pippen. There were a lot of players who put up higher scoring numbers. If I remember, the debate was whether or not you could insert Walter Davis in Pippen's role on the championship Bulls and receive the same outcomes. I don't believe you could.


Im sure I never argued that. Pippen was a perfect fit with Jordan.

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Okay. So who are the "bunch of other guys" who scored like English? Not Reggie Miller.


Bernard Shaw
Ricky Pierce

Bernard Shaw? I thought he did news on CNN. Maybe you're referring to Bernard King, who also played in Washington and in New York back in the day...


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If Daugherty played today, he'd be better than Dwight Howard.


Pump your brakes, son

Better defender, plus he had a better offensive touch than Howard. He could hit an elbow or baseline jumper from 15.

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Okay. So who are the "bunch of other guys" who scored like English? Not Reggie Miller.


Bernard Shaw
Ricky Pierce

Bernard Shaw? I thought he did news on CNN. Maybe you're referring to Bernard King, who also played in Washington and in New York back in the day...


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Okay. So who are the "bunch of other guys" who scored like English? Not Reggie Miller.


Bernard King
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Both better than Rodman.

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SHARK wrote:
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Okay. So who are the "bunch of other guys" who scored like English? Not Reggie Miller.


Bernard Shaw
Ricky Pierce

Bernard Shaw? I thought he did news on CNN. Maybe you're referring to Bernard King, who also played in Washington and in New York back in the day...

:lol: :lol:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Okay. So who are the "bunch of other guys" who scored like English? Not Reggie Miller.


Bernard King
Ricky Pierce


Both better than Rodman.


Monta Ellis


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