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Chris_in_joliet

Post subject: Re: Pick the Draft Lottery Winners

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:13 pm

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Keep thinkng that the NBA doesn't rig their draft lottery.

:lol:

It just so happens that the team that could use the superstar player the most almost always gets that top draft pick.

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Post subject: Re: Pick the Draft Lottery Winners

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:23 pm

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Last time the team with the worst record won the lottery was 2004. And it's only happened 4 times total.

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:24 pm

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Douchebag wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

The draft order holds every year. That's what makes this such a silly exercise. I want the Bobcats to be just as likely to draft fourteenth as they are to draft first. That would be compelling. And no tanking!

The order holds every year because of the way the lottery is setup. In the lottery, every team has their "odds" of getting one of the top 3 picks. If you don't fall in any of those spots, you are automatically slotted to your appropriate pick based on record. They do this so teams like Charlotte wont end up with the last lottery pick. The worst possible pick Charlotte could have gotten is 4th.

I agree the lottery is rigged, but you don't understand how it works.

What? I know exactly how it works. That was my point: that it's a lot of cooked-up drama for a draft lottery that assures most teams don't change draft position at all.

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MattInTheCrown

Post subject: Re: Pick the Draft Lottery Winners

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:37 pm

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Again: it can't be rigged. Nevermind that too many people would have to be in on it, including Ernst & Young. It's simply not physically possible.

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:10 pm

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Chris_in_joliet wrote:

Keep thinkng that the NBA doesn't rig their draft lottery.

:lol:

It just so happens that the team that could use the superstar player the most almost always gets that top draft pick.

That's not true. Charlotte needed a superstar much more than New Orleans did

MitC is right. Its just silly to think its rigged.

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:17 pm

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Think of the market. Think of the NbA grooming the Hornets the last year before the new owner just dumped a ton of money to buy it...

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MattInTheCrown

Post subject: Re: Pick the Draft Lottery Winners

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:49 pm

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Leaving aside the impossibility of fixing the draft, if you're the NBA, you want to fix it for Brooklyn. If Brooklyn wins the lottery, they easily work a deal for Howard and instantly become relevant in the biggest US market, and Orlando doesn't drop off the map.

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:54 pm

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Really? Taking the spotlight away f/ and infusing talent into the Knicks biggest rival, just when NY got their swag (ugh) back? Not gonna happen... Not in Stern's NbA... The only time the nets received the #1 pick was one of the worst drafts EVER, and they ended up with K-Mart. A guy who broke his leg a few months before...

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MattInTheCrown

Post subject: Re: Pick the Draft Lottery Winners

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:58 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

Of course, it's always obvious ahead of time which lotteries will be good, and which will be bad.

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Post subject: Re: Pick the Draft Lottery Winners

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:06 pm

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MattInTheCrown wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Of course, it's always obvious ahead of time which lotteries will be good, and which will be bad.

Actually, for the most part it is... Go look @ some of the names in that draft... If you dare. Garbage.

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:26 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

MattInTheCrown wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Of course, it's always obvious ahead of time which lotteries will be good, and which will be bad.

Actually, for the most part it is... Go look @ some of the names in that draft... If you dare. Garbage.

Beasley and Wall were labeled can't-miss prospects.

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:41 pm

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Really? I thought there were concerns about Beasley being, well, crazy.

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Curious Hair wrote:

Really? I thought there were concerns about Beasley being, well, crazy.

Minor concerns about that and his tweener status but the general concensus was worst case scenario you're getting a better rebounding Danny Granger. Oops.

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:25 am

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MattInTheCrown wrote:

Again: it can't be rigged. Nevermind that too many people would have to be in on it, including Ernst & Young. It's simply not physically possible.

People said the same thing about NBA refs, until Donaghy. Then, they said that he was an "isolated incident".

Why do you think the actual lottery is done by public viewing on television?

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Douchebag

Post subject: Re: Pick the Draft Lottery Winners

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:59 am

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Jbi11s wrote:

I don't think I can agree with your definition of swagger. If two straight first round exits, and 1 total playoff win is getting your swagger back, then you are setting the bar very low.

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Post subject: Re: Pick the Draft Lottery Winners

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:16 am

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DB and CH are right about how the lottery works. Top three then slot from there.

I think its rigged. Goff predicted NO would get it, btw.

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Chris_in_joliet

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:08 am

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Brooklyn could have used it but so could New Orleans. You want the NBA to make some sort of mark in that city,why not do it when their beloved Saints are taking it in the shorts. David Stern doesn't give a shit about Charlotte or Jordan anymore for that matter.

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Jbi11s

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:13 am

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John Wall will be an all star player for a long time... Beasley is playing on a good young twolves squad. I can't defend him mking bad decisions, but he has shown flashes of brilliance. Also seems to be a good on the floor teammate...

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Douchebag

Post subject: Re: Pick the Draft Lottery Winners

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:35 am

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Jbi11s wrote:

John Wall will be an all star player for a long time...

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MattInTheCrown

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:55 am

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Beasley's PER has gone down every year. He's just bad.

And Rick, Donaghy is not a physical impossibility the way fixing the lottery is. How can they manipulate ping-pong balls in a lottery machine? Again, even if you biased the balls, that only makes them somewhat more likely to come up. There's just no way to fix it.

But the notion that the balls are biased is ridiculous anyways, because you have Ernst and Young's rep on the line.

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Brick

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:00 am

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MattInTheCrown wrote:

And Rick, Donaghy is not a physical impossibility the way fixing the lottery is. How can they manipulate ping-pong balls in a lottery machine? Again, even if you biased the balls, that only makes them somewhat more likely to come up. There's just no way to fix it.

You are making a lot of assumptions for a closed process. If this was being done live on television I'd agree. This is a closed door process.

MattInTheCrown wrote:

But the notion that the balls are biased is ridiculous anyways, because you have Ernst and Young's rep on the line.

If JP Morgan can survive what they did with Facebook I'm pretty sure Ernst and Young can survive "mistakes" with the NBA draft lottery.

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Douchebag

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:01 am

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There isn't a doubt in my mind that New Orelans winning the lottery this season was a condition in the sale of the team.

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Douchebag wrote:

There isn't a doubt in my mind that New Orelans winning the lottery this season was a condition in the sale of the team.

I highly doubt that. Other potential buyers would then know for a fact the nba was rigged.

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:06 am

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FavreFan wrote:

Douchebag wrote:

There isn't a doubt in my mind that New Orelans winning the lottery this season was a condition in the sale of the team.

I highly doubt that. Other potential buyers would then know for a fact the nba was rigged.

I'm not saying it was drawn up in a contract, but I think there was some kind of backroom deal made with Stern and the new owner.

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:16 am

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we need a statistician. so worst team has won 3 of 19 lotteries I believe. that's 16%. mathematical odds are 25% I believe (according to young danny).

So what is the probability that this happens? I bet it is surprisingly small.

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MattInTheCrown

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:38 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

MattInTheCrown wrote:

You are making a lot of assumptions for a closed process. If this was being done live on television I'd agree. This is a closed door process.

Nope. Note: Demps requested, and was given, the winning balls. It's closed to the public, but representatives from all the lottery teams were there, as were 4 media members.

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MattInTheCrown wrote:

But the notion that the balls are biased is ridiculous anyways, because you have Ernst and Young's rep on the line.

If JP Morgan can survive what they did with Facebook I'm pretty sure Ernst and Young can survive "mistakes" with the NBA draft lottery.

This wouldn't be a mistake though. It'd be flat-out fraud.

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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:41 am

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For you Q-Bo-style conspiracy theorists out there -- mikhail prokhorov bought the security firm that ensures the integrity of the NBA lottery. Another huge check mark against your theory.

But MITC is right about the rigged lotto. It makes otherwise intelligent people like DB and Rick look like Pantheresque fools.

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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:12 am

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Why doesn't the NBA do the lottery in the open? It would make for better television. "Because they don't have to" is not a valid answer.

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FavreFan wrote:

I don't think I ever said it was rigged. I said that with how secretive it is there is no way of knowing it's not.

There is a reason why state lotteries are shown on television.

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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:23 am

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

I don't think I ever said it was rigged. I said that with how secretive it is there is no way of knowing it's not.

There is a reason why state lotteries are shown on television.

This sounds like Panther saying you have no way of knowing 9/11 wasn't an inside job.

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