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Even Nash as a role player :? happened to have a pretty good season last year as he finished 2nd in the NBA in assists, and was one of only two players to average double digit assists. (Rondo)

He also happened to do it on a Phoenix squad which housed only a fraction of the current Lakers team talent.

Yeah, dishing assists is his role. There's two sides to the basketball court though. Overall, Steve Nash is not a top PG anymore. He is a role player.

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The Lakers are at best, the 3rd best team in the West right now. I just couldn't see them beating SA or OKC in a 7-game series.


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If your team's biggest weakness is defense, bringing in D'Antoni isn't a good idea. Sure, outscoring the other team never worked for him before, but THIS SEASON it's going to work!


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sure, they'll be bad defensively. But Howard will clean up a bunch of problems defensively and they will score a ton more. Mike's not had this level of talent to use before.

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Jackson apparently also wanted an ownership stake. No way Buss was gonna allow that.

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(for those who don't know, my point is that magic johnson has an ownership stake in the lakers)

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Lakers resist Phil Jackson's power grab

by Adrian Wojnarowski

Between the hours of Mike Brown's firing and a meeting on Saturday morning with history's most accomplished coach, Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak privately told people there was one candidate: Phil Jackson.
Jackson wanted to humiliate Lakers vice president Jim Buss far more than he wanted to coach the team. He wanted significant allowances on travel, coaching duties and an ability to veto player personnel moves that didn't fit his vision. With an unprecedented 11 coaching championships, Jackson had every right to make unprecedented demands. He doesn't have the right to be surprised when the Lakers rejected them and hired a pliable, cheaper coach in Mike D'Antoni.
"Phil wanted Jim Buss to walk away with his tail between his legs," one source with knowledge of the discussions told Yahoo! Sports. "He thought he had time to still negotiate with them, and see how much they would give him."
Now, the Lakers are going out of their way to spare Jackson the embarrassment of his overreaching, but this is pointless spin. They're working with him to sell the public that he hadn't asked for too much, that somehow the franchise chose D'Antoni over Jackson on sheer merit. It's noble, but laughable. Jackson heard those chants in the Staples Center and never believed the Lakers had the guts to call his bluff before circling back to him on Monday.
"Phil's assistants convinced him that they had his back on the concerns [Jackson] had about his load as head coach, and he was ready to get a deal done on Monday," a source with knowledge of the talks said. "But this was about Jim Buss giving him a royal you-know-what in the end."
If Jackson was ever to return to coaching to chase a championship in a preferred locale, this job offered him the opportunity. His instincts were wrong on how to play these negotiations and it blew up on him. The Lakers could live with making Jackson the highest-paid coach in the NBA again, but Jackson had to come back in full, and the Lakers were wise to have uncertainties.
Jackson listened to Kobe Bryant gush and gush about him on Friday night, and believed the strongest voice in the locker room would accept only his return the bench. It was a mistake. Bryant preferred Jackson, but he has a history with D'Antoni back to his childhood growing up in Italy and across several years of USA Basketball. Bryant and D'Antoni have a relationship, a trust, and that's somewhere to start once they're thrust together.
[Related: Lakers name Mike D'Antoni as new head coach]
Once Jackson couldn't come to terms on Saturday, Bryant had prepared himself for the fact that D'Antoni would ultimately become the coach. For the Lakers' good, D'Antoni needs to have used his three-plus seasons in New York to have grown as a coach, as a leader, or this will go terribly for him in Los Angeles.

Lakers owner Jerry Buss opted to sign Mike D'Antoni rather than meet Jackson's demands. (AP)
When everything had become too hard with the New York Knicks, D'Antoni walked into the office one morning and surrendered. Carmelo Anthony had stopped listening to him, stopped running his plays, and ownership never supported the coach. When Anthony grumbled to Bryant about D'Antoni's defensive acumen on a trip to Los Angeles before the coach's resignation in New York, one witness says Bryant shot back to Anthony – only half-kidding – that, seriously, when the hell have you ever played defense?
D'Antoni has been run out of two jobs and should be past the obsession he had over needing to win with his system, his way. These won't be the seven-seconds-or-less Lakers. They'll play plenty of pick-and-roll, but the biggest issue for D'Antoni's defense has never been where it was ranked in the league, but how the Suns players – including Steve Nash – never believed they were prepared for the big possessions, the big moments, in series with San Antonio. There was a discipline missing, a mindset, an understanding, in those moments of truths.
[Related: Is Mike D'Antoni a better fit than Phil Jackson for Lakers?]
D'Antoni is notoriously sensitive to criticism, but he needs to be honest with himself to get the most out of these Lakers now, out of himself here. They never spent practice time on defense, because D'Antoni's offensive system was his genius, what got him into the NBA, got him millions, and his personal mandate was forever validating it. Now, he's older. These are the Lakers and D'Antoni has to understand: This isn't about his vision, but winning.
Within the organization, Kupchak and the coaching staff understood this: Dwight Howard can make D'Antoni a far, far better defensive coach. For now, the staff believes Howard is still a shell of himself, that mobility in his back still isn't close to returning for another month, maybe two.
Stan Van Gundy has already reached out to D'Antoni and encouraged him to keep assistant coach Steve Clifford on his staff. Clifford had a strong history of working with Stan in Orlando and Jeff Van Gundy in Houston and had gone to the Lakers to join Mike Brown's staff. As much as anyone, he understands how to incorporate an individual's flaws into the greatness of Howard's ability to dominate on the defensive end.
Over the summer, Jackson continued to tell people he was retired as a coach. He didn't want the job anymore. Once Los Angeles made the deal for Howard, his prism on returning to the Lakers changed again. Along with Bryant, Howard was the reason that a 12th title was possible for Jackson. Howard was the investment that made it easier for the Busses to buy out Brown's contract and make Jackson the highest-paid coach in the NBA again.
Jackson had his chance, and the strangest thing happened: The greatest coach in history overreached, misread the circumstances and had someone tell him "no" on Sunday night. The Lakers never picked Mike D'Antoni over Jackson. They picked him over desperation for Jackson. Maybe the Busses will regret the choice, but if Jackson truly wanted to coach again, no one will ever regret this more than him. These are still the Lakers, and nowhere else in basketball does this opportunity at this moment in time come along – even for Phil Jackson.


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And here's Magic weighing in with a ringing endorsement of his new coach:


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RT @MagicJohnson: The reason I haven't tweeted in 2 days is because I've been mourning Phil Jackson not being hired as the Lakers head coach


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:lol: yeah Kobe pretty much called out Gasol a day or so ago as well.


That thing is going to implode.

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This D'Antoni thing looks bad already. Where is Bernie Bickerstaff when you need him?


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This D'Antoni thing looks bad already.

I've been shouting from the mountaintops for years that D'Antoni is not an NBA coach. He's certainly not a guy to take top NBA talent and win a championship with it. He should be coaching the Bobcats or the Raptors or the Magic or something.

Hell, D'Antoni is the type of coach who would've found a way to not win the title with Miami last year.

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He's a gimmick coach. He's similar to Mike Martz. You may sneak up on the league and win a title initially but once everyone knows you system you don't stand a chance. Playoffs are a half court game where defense is important. None of these things have ever mattered to him.


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Yup. That's the reason why Don Nelson's teams were usually first or second round outs.

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Any coach who has Pau Gasol and can't figure out a way to use him in the 4th quarter is a terrible coach. He can do more things on a court than any big man in the NBA.

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Makaveli wrote:
This D'Antoni thing looks bad already.

I've been shouting from the mountaintops for years that D'Antoni is not an NBA coach. He's certainly not a guy to take top NBA talent and win a championship with it. He should be coaching the Bobcats or the Raptors or the Magic or something.

Hell, D'Antoni is the type of coach who would've found a way to not win the title with Miami last year.

You and me both. It's funny how people are righteously pissed over that D-III basketball stunt while NBA coach D'Antoni has never had more of a coaching philosophy than "I dunno, just shoot a lot and stuff." At least that college coach came up with a formula!

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unacceptable. hot garbage. kobe's calling the team old as shit.... dwight howard coming out after the clippers loss saying "it's obvious that [the clippers] like each other on and off the court... we need to play like we like each other" (read in between the lines on that one, and then i'm reading a lil snippet in today's trib that pau gasol is reassuring everyone that he's not going to demand a trade after he was benched in the 4th quarter by d'antoni for something like the 4th to 5th time this season.

if the lakers want to have a go with this roster, they're gonna have to unsheathe the pimphand and use it to write a big fat check to d'antoni and tell him to get on (perhaps even keep him on retainer in case phil "mister" buss gets old/bored/etc) but like.... this d'antoni shit ain't gonna work.... and he's got a 3-4yr deal? damn.

unacceptable. there's no way around it.

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They should hire Skiles.

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They should have just promoted Brian Shaw. This younger Buss is really ruining the "decidedly less evil/incompetent son" trend we've had with the Wirtz, Pohlad, York families.

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At the rate things are going, Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak might want to start making reservations for Secaucus, NJ and that "Match Game"-like set for the NBA Draft Lottery in May. Yeah, it might be coming to that for this Lakers' franchise.


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They should hire Skiles.

I will help pack his bags.

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Jim Buss should be relieved of his duties. He has an ego that's hurting the organization. This season falls squarely on his shoulders.

Dwight Howard is exactly what I said he was. Kobe can't even "convince" him to change. I feel sorry for Kobe and Nash.


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Makaveli wrote:
Jim Buss should be relieved of his duties. He has an ego that's hurting the organization. This season falls squarely on his shoulders.

Dwight Howard is exactly what I said he was. Kobe can't even "convince" him to change. I feel sorry for Kobe and Nash.


Well, Howard and Gasol are out indefinitely now. So, we will see how Kobe and Nash do moving forward.


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Who knew a bunch of older stars wouldn't win anything in LA? They couldn't get Malone, Payton, and Ho Grant out there too?


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“@kobebryant: We just saw why bama will be bcs champs @10AJMcCarron and @barrettAjones not afraid to confront each other in order to win. #respect”

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“@kobebryant: We just saw why bama will be bcs champs @10AJMcCarron and @barrettAjones not afraid to confront each other in order to win. #respect”

Interesting.


So exactly what is the problem with Howard? When will he be happy?

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Who knew a bunch of older stars wouldn't win anything in LA? They couldn't get Malone, Payton, and Ho Grant out there too?

Horace Grant was like the 12th man on that team.

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KDdidit wrote:
Who knew a bunch of older stars wouldn't win anything in LA? They couldn't get Malone, Payton, and Ho Grant out there too?

Horace Grant was like the 12th man on that team.


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Makaveli wrote:
Jim Buss should be relieved of his duties. He has an ego that's hurting the organization. This season falls squarely on his shoulders.

Dwight Howard is exactly what I said he was. Kobe can't even "convince" him to change. I feel sorry for Kobe and Nash.


Well, Howard and Gasol are out indefinitely now. So, we will see how Kobe and Nash do moving forward.

Pau Gasol currently has a concussion and is out at least 1 week. Ditto for Dwight Howard, but he might be out much longer due to a torn labrum in his right shoulder. Add Jordan Hill, out with a right hip injury, and a bad Lakers' situation might be getting worse with 4 games in 6 days starting with a back-to-back tonight in Houston & tomorrow in San Antonio.


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Makaveli wrote:
Jim Buss should be relieved of his duties. He has an ego that's hurting the organization. This season falls squarely on his shoulders.

Dwight Howard is exactly what I said he was. Kobe can't even "convince" him to change. I feel sorry for Kobe and Nash.


Well, Howard and Gasol are out indefinitely now. So, we will see how Kobe and Nash do moving forward.

Pau Gasol currently has a concussion and is out at least 1 week. Ditto for Dwight Howard, but he might be out much longer due to a torn labrum in his right shoulder. Add Jordan Hill, out with a right hip injury, and a bad Lakers' situation might be getting worse with 4 games in 6 days starting with a back-to-back tonight in Houston & tomorrow in San Antonio.

My wife was asking me what a labrum was last night when I was watching NBA TV. I told her Dwight Howard pulled a vagina muscle.

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