So penalize him for that?

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45 ppg one season for sure.

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The last two are intangibles hard to quantify

LeBron has taken over quite a few playoff games in the 4th quarter now hasn't he ?

He's also got a lot if time left

Kobe > Lebron

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Agreed. It would be like playing a video game.

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#Truth He has to pass Kobe first.

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LeBron's right. He's almost certainly going to go down as a top 4 player of all time. He has a lot left to do to catch MJ though. I don't think he will be able to.

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Stop trolling us.

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I'm projecting 3 more titles and MVPs for LeBron

For now. He will likely fall down that list eventually.

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I'd take Wade and Bosh at full health over Pippen and Grant, and especially over Pippen and Rodman.

Wade commands double teams while Pippen did not. Bosh is a better scorer than Grant, which means the court is more open for James because of the presence of two 20+ scorers. Rodman doesn't factor in here as a third star - he wasn't even the third most dangerous player. He was a bit player that did his part very well. Toni Kukoc was the third Bulls threat.

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He has more winning to do to get there. Kobe is still the best player of this era even if you don't like it. Duncan is #2.

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That's an insult to those 4 guys, and simply not true. He was nowhere near the shooter Bird was, the scorer/competitor Jordan was, or the passer Magic was. He is ALMOST as good on defense as Pippen was though, so I'll give him that.

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Pippen was a WAY better player than Wade.

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I am really serious about this. Because of Shack and then later Lebron might be the most overshadowed great player of all time.

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Just remember, and this will always be true, Wade was already the best player on a championship team when Lebron won his titles.

It would be like if Durant or Carmelo decided to join up with Lebron. Does Carmelo get all the credit?

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Duncan is ahead of Kobe in almost every objective evaluation. Kobe was a great scorer/defender(til 2007ish), and is an all time great player, but he didn't win like Duncan did.

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Not trolling. I was actually recently thinking he's got to be in the conversation for best ever. Maybe I'm overrating him.

He seems like a perfect player you'd create n a video game

3 more titles is a pretty bold prediction, but it will take 3 more for him to even enter the MJ conversation.

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What if LeBron averaged 30, 15, and 10 for the next 8 years and wins 5 mote titles?

Yes, on defense I think. Wade commands double teams and Pippen did not, I don't think there's much to argue there. And the larger point I'm trying to make is Wade's greatness lessened the load LeBron had to carry, which was obviously by design.

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Shit forgot about Duncan too. Made people forget about Robinson real fast. Fuck Lebron get some more hardware.

And the Pippen / Wade thing... Yes Wade won one that wasn't all that impressive but he gets it. Pippen almost took the Bulls to the finals without Jordan too.

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This Miami Heat thing really worked though huh?

Finals, Title, Title

He missed the playoffs 1 year and has more rings and Finals appearances. I'm not sure what type of evaluation you're doing. We all know you HATE Kobe but no one except Kobe haters would rank Duncan ahead of him. The only thing Duncan can say is that he is the greatest player ever at his position. Kobe will have to settle for #2.

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Won't happen. KD is ready to take over if Westbrook doesn't pull a Rose.

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And now OK City's turn

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I feel they are stashing Westbrook for playoffs.

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Absolutely. He's been fantastic ever since that abomination of a performance in the Dallas series. He's already an all-time great, but if he wants to discuss himself as a top 4 player of all time, I hope he is aware that he isn't even halfway to the number of rings he will need. And Durant is closing in pretty quickly on his "best NBA player" title.

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Let's take a break for some Lou's!

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Pippen could score and takeover a game when he wanted to. Wade could never be a great defender. Also the things Pippen did allowed Jordan to do what he did. Pippen played at an MVP level without MJ.

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