Fuck the hawks. They're nothing and they are unwatchable because they suck at defense and suck at shooting. 9-32 from 3 against Indy. Trae had 8 of those. I'm not wasting my time with them until further notice.

Wow the wind changes direction

He's right.

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Shouldn’t you be mocking him for being a fair weather fan ?

They're broken. The fun of Trae offensively is being overwhelmed by the team wide lack of effort on defense.

Going to have to start allotting minutes according to effort on defense. It's the only way to fix it. If Trae gets 18 minutes on the court next game, so be it. A message, starting right now, has to be sent. They haven't won in a month.

Nah. His assessment (unlike your guy No Great Shakes) has always been measured regarding Trae and the Hawks.
He likes Trae but he also has always admitted that he was a rather flawed player.

It starts with Trae Young. He doesn't even attempt to try and guard people

They bash Jabari for his defense but at least he tried. Trae Young doesn't.

I have yet to ever see him apply pressure to any guard that he happens to be matched up against.

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yea, they're a tough watch right now. But, Trae is still worth the price of admission. Last night he had 37 and 7 on 10/16 shooting. It's amazing he can even get 7 assists playing with these bums.


Their GM really needs to answer for how he put this team together. Not having a single serviceable big man is inexcusable. The draft of Cam Reddish is looking horrific right now, especially with some of the guys who were drafted after him. How good would Brandon Clarke look on the receiving end of Trae's alley oops?

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It also doesn't help that they've played the 1st or 2nd toughest schedule in the league so far. Schedule starts to open up with tonight's game vs GSW.

But, Trae is doing what he can to try and keep this team in games...

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There is a 15 point difference per 100 possessions when he is on the floor. His stats are meaningless because they are being blown out more often than not. Still won't prevent him from telling the world how great he is.

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Markelle Fultz in the meantime is avg 15 and 4-5 assists per game over his last 8 games. This while only playing in a little more than half the game. Came up big down the stretch last night.

He is beginning to come on now.

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According to RAPTOR, he is only slightly behind Young if you consider his minutes. The reason being the defensive end. Young is a -3.9 and Fultz is a +0.6

So despite the mockery, the argument is still legit, even with Young lighting it up.

BUT, Fultz is going to have to get the minutes. 15 and 4 isn't going to cut it even with Young unable to guard a folding chair.

Yeah I agree and I don't know what is up with that. Clifford is a good coach but I don't get why he is splitting the minutes the way that he is. Fultz is clearly an upgrade over Augustine.


He has to get up in the 32-33 range for this to really get serious. He also isn't a primary option (As Young has been since his career started).

One thing is for certain. There is definitely a "There" there. He is already one of the best finishers from the guard position in the league and his shooting% even without the 3 point shot is a respectable 48%. His mid range shot is fine but he still has a hitch when he launches the 3. Once his minutes are upped and his role changes he should be up to about 20 and about 6 without so much as breaking a sweat.

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ahhh so this RAPTOR metric is the new gage....then Jimmy Butler is a Top 10 player a bitter pill to swallow , but swallow it you must

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... r-ratings/
But we already knew that.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

and Will Barton is also a top 10 player. Advanced stats are fun.

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And your thought processes (Bob McAdoo invented the stretch 4 position) are very much from those of the Stone Age.

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Just like "We" knew that Harden never plays the point guard position

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that had been determined I was correct…..let it go.... no Lebron thoughts this year?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

No one determined anything. You came out of that looking like an idiot. Just like Embiid is a wasted draft pick if he doesn't play more than 75 games. Well he has yet to play in 75 games and no one thinks he is a wasted draft pick. Just like you looked stupid when the Akeem comps were made. Just like you continuously (along with basketball buffoon Imu) pump the Butler is a top 10 player. No one (besides two guys whose combined basketball IQ wouldn't reach a 100) believes that.

Are you letting that go? He didn't even garner an honorable mention vote for all NBA last season and he won't make it this year either. If you are certain that he will put the bread up.

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$100

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

He is the 2nd or 3rd best player on a Championship contending team. Don't sleep on him.

Clearly, RAPTOR isn't the end all, be all, but his skill is also supported in WS, BPM, VORP and traditional stats. He puts up 15/7/4.

Not targeted at solely you, but this board has always had an issue acknowledging the skill of players that took time to 'develop.' And not just in the NBA. But players like Jimmy Butler and Will Barton. Hell, Andrew friggin Wiggins might have finally figured it out, but I imagine even if he keeps this up, the board will consider him garbage in 3-4 years.

Specifically with LTG, he referenced PJ Washington as a nobody earlier in the season. PJ Washington is already one of the better rookies and is the exact type of player who could go on to make real improvements in his first few seasons and become very good. But work ethic players just aren't respected. And PJ Washington was 12th in his ESPN100 recruiting class. Not even close to a nobody.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I'm saying he won't make 1st 2nd or 3rd team All NBA. You are saying that he will for a $100. Is that correct?

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he finally seems to be posting up more

also he'll be an All Star the Lakers make the playoffs and you'll bring up anything someone else was wrong on except you...let's do Young is an All Star before Fultz

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Barton is not the 2nd or 3rd best player on Denver. more like 4th or 5th best player along with Harris. Jokic, Milsap, Murray all clearly better than Barton.

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Just as I thought. I got you on the run Willy Nilly.

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Jokic is #1. I'll give you Murray.

Will Barton is better than Harris and Millsap, in my opinion. And the various numbers support it.

It's all at least worth a discussion.

Denver is stacked with good players.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Stacked with good players, but only one star. That could be the problem. Barton is solid, no doubt about it. The team goes about 9 deep with good players.

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Fultz had 20 and 6 tonight.

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DJ had 24 -1-6 big deal

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.