Do you not see the date of that article?

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Does Butler make his team better?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

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Jimmy Butler is in year 7. Anthony was a Hall of Famer by year 7.

If you want to discuss your fallacious "whose the biggest winner" have at it. Sure you don't. You repeated make the argument that he is a,loser. What has Butler ever won? Which teams has he taken to great heights? I will hangup and listen for my answer.

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Again an obfuscation. What's the point. It was taken before the start of the season. My argument I believe was from last season. Again you like the snapshot approach. Shit Redick was better than Towns last night. Guess that makes him better. Don't work like that. Either guys are better or they aren't.

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I said 5 full seasons. Carmelo was not a Hall of Famer by year 7.

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We're breathing life into this dead ass thread.

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In 2010, you will find every ranking putting Joe Johnson ahead of Demarcus Cousins. How does that pertain to 2017?

Jimmy Butler has been ascending for a few years now and erupted last season. And has continued that this season, especially has he has gained comfort with his new team and teammates (look at his December numbers). He is likely to have his best season yet this year. Cousins cannot match what Butler provides a team.

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You can focus on Butler with others.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Ascending to what? He more than likely won't be an All Star. Won't be All NBA. What he is ascending towards?
You sound foolish. Each of the 3 guys that I stated are better are you know, better. Continuing to argue makes no sense.

They will each be All NBA.

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Yeah, I just sort of skimmed the last couple pages. When he does shit like saying Butler didn’t play well last night it’s clear he’s just being an idiot again or trolling. Every once in awhile I break, but for the most part I’ve learned to ignore these types of thoughts of his.

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Cousins is putting up some fancy numbers this year but his lack of effort defensively always kills his teams. If you want to be a real superstar you have to put work in on both ends, not just chase stats. This is one of the many reasons westbrook and Harden will never be nearly as good as Kawhi Leonard. If you just looked at stats you would come to the hilariously wrong conclusion they were better. Advanced metrics help a bit with this issue, but it’s almost impossible to accurately portray everything a player does on a court through statistics.

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I never said he didn't play well. I said he didn't play great. He took 33 shots to score 38 points. What are we really talking about?

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Butler isn't a superstar. He can't dominate games offensively. Definitely can't do it consistently and when has he ever taken a team anywhere? You can put it on Hoiberg all you want but he really isn't doing all that great since he has been reunited with Thibs. They are 4 games over and have played an easy schedule.


you also told me earlier in the year that he was a supreme difference maker defensively. Based on what? Their numbers are terrible with him or without him.

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The argument is Jimmy Butler vs Demarcus Cousins and that’s the card you felt you had to play?

You make it too easy.

Also, as usual, your last statement is completely wrong. With Butler on the court they are slightly below average defensively. With him off the court they become a bottom 1 or 2 team defensively. This is based on points per 100 possessions allowed, the standard metric for team defense.

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What? He is on the court during the fourth quarter and they have the worst points per 100 possession rating in the league. They have been terrible with him or without him.

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Theory:

LTG had an abusive step-dad named Jimmy Butler during his formative years and it has permanently scarred him.

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Yeah, see that is factually wrong. The Timberwolves are 24th in the NBA in defensive efficiency currently. They go down to the 28-30 range with Butler on the bench and are in the 16-20 range when he's on the court.

Out of all your asinine opinions, "Jimmy Butler isn't good defensively" is just about the dumbest.

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i guarantee that you can't show me where I said that. I said that he doesn't have the level of impact that you believe he has. He didn't make all defense last year and probably won't make it this year either. He is a good defender. He isn't elite.

I also tend to get much right than you also. Check the numbers. I'd love to see know the scales when it comes to "asinine statements".

Lets do a tally because the recurring theme regarding "asinine thoughts" needs to be put to the test. Have no doubt that I tend to get it right more than you.

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Whatever you want to do is fine by me. It's funny you think you're right more often.

Maybe we can start by predicting the 2 seed in the Western Conference. Watch out world.

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No lets start with Simmons and Markannen being busts. Or the Wolves winning 50 games. Or Butler being a Hall of Famer. I think that was one of your nuggets from years ago. Those are just a few.

Not to mention that you were for Ball not too long ago. How is that working out?

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Let's add Giannis to the list also. He has thoroughly ended the whole Butler debate and so has Kyrie Irving. Its time to finally put the asinine thoughts portion of the show to the test once and for all.

For the record when I stated that he was better he was better. This isn't a recent phenomenon either. He was dominating Butler head to head and his stats were better. You changed it to mean something different only once you couldn't fight the good fight anymore.

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You are a sad human.

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Never once said Simmons was a bust. Wolves are gonna win 50 still. Never said Butler was a HoFer.

You lie like a rug. Some shameful shit. Smh

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Nah I think you stated that Butler had a chance to be a hall of Famer. He doesn't

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Let us not forget your thoughts on Nerlens Noel. How is that working out? IMU care to chime in on this one as well. Noel has blown up right before our eyes. He stinks.

I choose not to do victory laps or discredit posters so a lot of the time I simply fall back. But it is time to do an "assanine thought" assessment together. Lets see who has more of them.

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Oh. Well that’s a lot different than calling him a HOFer now isn’t it?

He does have a chance. Almost every good player does. The basketball hall of fame is a joke and by far the easiest to get into out of all sports.

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