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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:31 am 
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312player wrote:
I don't think any player in History could make those guys win that many titles...It was basically MJ/PIP and role players..6 titles and he retired for a stretch in his prime.

Yeah, Rodman, Grant, Kukoc, Paxson, Harper, Armstrong, and Kerr were all garbage.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:34 am 
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did I say "garbage" moron? I said role players..and they were..they were swapped out for more role players and the titles kept coming. :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:37 am 
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Grant, Rodman, and Kukoc were hardly role players.

I don't think they 3-peat in 96-98 without Rodman.

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312player wrote:
I don't think any player in History could make those guys win that many titles...It was basically MJ/PIP and role players..6 titles and he retired for a stretch in his prime.

Most championship teams are two stars + role players. Considering MJ was the greatest and Pip was a top 30 player all time it's not hard to figure out why they won 6 titles. Also they probably dont win the last three without Rodman.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:47 am 
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couple items:

1. all those guys DB cites weren't on the same team
2. jordy like lebron needed a decent team around him to win
3. those who say OMG HE DIDN"T WIN ONE UNTIL HE WAS 28!! are idiots. he would've won one at 23 with a decent team around him.
4. at the age of 24 he single-handedly brought a team that started dave corzine, brad sellers, sam vincent, and charles oakley to the eastern conf. finals. GMAFB! Maybe LeBron could do that too, but he sure as hell wouldn't win a title with that!

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If I internet-know RFDC as well as I think I do, I don't think that's what he wanted to discuss. While you make valid points, there is easily enough ammo to argue Jordan is the GOAT without mentioning marketability. I think the main reasons him and Russell are not compared often is the different eras, different positions, and different states of the league and competition. I never hear marketability as a factor.


Aw FF I am touched you know me so well! :P

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Tonight is a good example of why I still keep saying LeBron is better, and what I was contrasting with the best ever/best scorer ever distinction. Durant can't really effect a game too much without scoring 30+. He's doing nothing on either side of the ball tonight to get his team going. Serge is unsuccessfully trying to fill that role.

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Gonna take a little longer now.

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Through four games of the Finals, Durant has been Kobe-esque in the worst sense. He’s averaging 30 points a game, on 55 percent shooting (just for the sake of argument, we’ll pretend that Kobe is that efficient). But in the Thunder’s three consecutive losses, Durant has totaled 11 rebounds and four assists. One more time: He’s amassed 11 rebounds and four assists in three games combined. And unlike Kobe in his prime, Durant doesn’t stop anyone. After checking LeBron led to foul trouble, he was assigned the task of stifling Mario Chalmers, the scoring dynamo who contributed five points in the prior two games. In Game 4, Chalmers poured in 25.

The unimpressive numbers reflect what we’re seeing on the court. Durant isn’t getting teammates easy baskets, earning extra possessions on the glass, or preventing opponents from scoring. He’s simply not contributing enough. And, unfairly, people are going to say that he lacks experience or determination or some other fictitious attribute. But it’s not about that mythical Nietzschean superman gene. Durant just isn’t as good at passing or rebounding or defending as he is at scoring. This season, the most assists he had in a game was eight. LeBron had that many in the first half of Game 4.

If the Heat close out the Thunder, we’ll enter a furious spin cycle where LeBron’s most fervent detractors will claim that he was victorious because he changed. He matured. He stopped krumping and developed a detached million-yard stare. This time, he truly valued playing for a championship (unlike before, when he feared a shiny ring would attract more hungry seagulls to his yacht). In short, get ready to watch a bunch of people who were proven wrong belch, “I told you so.” But the Heat aren’t winning because LeBron James is playing like Kobe Bryant. Instead, the Thunder are losing because Kevin Durant is.

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