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Dallas probably gives him the best chance to win a title but he will probably go to Miami or LA.


oh i'm sure Kobe would love that. Boozer, Josh Smith and nick young ?


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I can confirm FavreFan said he would rather have Josh Smith than Nikola Mirotic last night.

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Dallas probably gives him the best chance to win a title but he will probably go to Miami or LA.


oh i'm sure Kobe would love that. Boozer, Josh Smith and nick young ?


Clippers want him.

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I can confirm FavreFan said he would rather have Josh Smith than Nikola Mirotic last night.


Favre Fan is going to need to admit that he was wrong sooner than later.

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I'm lying. He did not say that. He actually seemed to be a legit fan now, but still brought up "he wasn't NBA ready in November."

Few, if any, rookies are.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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Rockets and the Kings would make the most sense. He won't start in Dallas. I hope he ends up in Sacramento. I like Boogie Cousins and Rudy Gay. They need a four desperately


not sure playing with Cousins, Gay and a psycho owner for a (likely) non-playoff team would the best environment for Josh
They really are not that far away from being a playoff team. They were playing well before Cousins went down. Rudy Gay is not a head case and I actually think Cousins has matured. The psycho owner part may be legit but Smith needs to repair his image. Helping get Sacramento to the playoffs would go a long way towards accomplishing that. He also is not a guy who probably wants to come off the bench. He is still young enough to be a productive player.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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Josh Smith would only be able to function with a coach that has an iron grip on his team.

That team, with that owner, is dysfunctional. Josh Smith to the Kings wouldn't work.

And they aren't going to make the playoffs.

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I'm lying. He did not say that. He actually seemed to be a legit fan now, but still brought up "he wasn't NBA ready in November."

Few, if any, rookies are.


That's true. Even though he was raw you could see what he could be. He's going to continue to get better. Thibs is going to have to start playing him at SF because he needs to be on the court. I don't think 18 mins is enough for him or Taj.

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Josh Smith would only be able to function with a coach that has an iron grip on his team.

That team, with that owner, is dysfunctional. Josh Smith to the Kings wouldn't work.

And they aren't going to make the playoffs.

Hopefully they can finish with the 11 pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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Josh Smith would only be able to function with a coach that has an iron grip on his team.

That team, with that owner, is dysfunctional. Josh Smith to the Kings wouldn't work.

And they aren't going to make the playoffs.
The Atlanta group was dysfunctional and he played well for them. If he has to come off the bench you are flirting with disaster. If you really want to know why he was cut from Detroit that was it. Van Gundy pretty much admitted it yesterday. He probably was not going to accept backing up Monroe so they decided to cut bait. If he goes to the Clippers or Dallas he is a backup. Houston makes the most sense if you are talking about winning and him being a starter. Plus he has history with Howard so that would work.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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I'm lying. He did not say that. He actually seemed to be a legit fan now, but still brought up "he wasn't NBA ready in November."

Few, if any, rookies are.


That's true. Even though he was raw you could see what he could be. He's going to continue to get better. Thibs is going to have to start playing him at SF because he needs to be on the court. I don't think 18 mins is enough for him or Taj.

Time to put Taj on the block while he still has value. Bulls didn't much miss him while he was injured and the emergence of Mirotic makes him expendable. They may be able to find a starting wing so that Dunleavy can come off the bench.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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He talks to Rondo everyday and at some point winning a championship should matter most. It shouldn't be about starting when you've been in the league 10 years.

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Whoever signs him should have a clause in his contract that he gets a $5,000 fine for every 3 point attempt. It would actually resurrect his career.

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Whoever signs him should have a clause in his contract that he gets a $5,000 fine for every 3 point attempt. It would actually resurrect his career.


His basketball IQ is close to 0. The problem isn't that he shoots 3's. The problem is he takes bad shots at the wrong time and doesn't appear to care.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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He talks to Rondo everyday and at some point winning a championship should matter most. It shouldn't be about starting when you've been in the league 10 years.

Fans and talk show guys talk about winning championships as the ultimate goal. They assume that winning should be paramount and the opportunity to win overrides everything. One thing that I have learned about athletes is that they want to win in their own way and on their own terms. He is not going to back up Blake or Dirk in the off chance that they are going to win a championship. He is only 30 yrs old. He still has 2-3 more yrs of starting in the NBA before he can be a full time backup.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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He talks to Rondo everyday and at some point winning a championship should matter most. It shouldn't be about starting when you've been in the league 10 years.


we are talking about Josh Smith
and this is coming from someone who is/was a fan of Josh Smith


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He talks to Rondo everyday and at some point winning a championship should matter most. It shouldn't be about starting when you've been in the league 10 years.


we are talking about Josh Smith
and this is coming from someone who is/was a fan of Josh Smith


I know. It's a reason why I never wanted him to be a Bull despite his talent. I don't think you can win a title with a guy like that on your team. He's a great player from the neck down.

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smith on the Lakers with Nick Young and Boozer would be awesome! :lol:

Tell FF it is going to be fun to watch the Mavs knock off his Spurs this year in the playoffs :D

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Josh Smith would only be able to function with a coach that has an iron grip on his team.

That team, with that owner, is dysfunctional. Josh Smith to the Kings wouldn't work.

And they aren't going to make the playoffs.
Sacramento was 9-5 before Cousins got injured and they had won five in a row. They really aren't that far from being a playoff team. They should not have fired the coach especially without having his replacement in the fold. Josh Smith would fit in well with that team and they have tried to acquire him on several occasions during the past two yrs.

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smith on the Lakers with Nick Young and Boozer would be awesome! :lol:

Tell FF it is going to be fun to watch the Mavs knock off his Spurs this year in the playoffs :D


If you really want to get Kobe to retire early or murder someone that is the way to go.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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Josh Smith would only be able to function with a coach that has an iron grip on his team.

That team, with that owner, is dysfunctional. Josh Smith to the Kings wouldn't work.

And they aren't going to make the playoffs.
Sacramento was 9-5 before Cousins got injured and they had won five in a row. They really aren't that far from being a playoff team. They should not have fired the coach especially without having his replacement in the fold. Josh Smith would fit in well with that team and they have tried to acquire him on several occasions during the past two yrs.

But they did fire the coach. And it was a stupid decision. And their owner, in a very short time, has shown himself to be hands on in all the wrong ways.

Dysfunctional.

How much did Atlanta win with Josh Smith?

In the NBA, there are easily identifiable basketball players that may look like they have some skill, but will never be winners. They don't fit well on successful teams. This is Carmelo, this is Josh Smith, this is Gilbert Arenas, and too many players to name.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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He talks to Rondo everyday and at some point winning a championship should matter most. It shouldn't be about starting when you've been in the league 10 years.


we are talking about Josh Smith
and this is coming from someone who is/was a fan of Josh Smith


I know. It's a reason why I never wanted him to be a Bull despite his talent. I don't think you can win a title with a guy like that on your team. He's a great player from the neck down.
The guy has been on play off teams and has been a difference maker during his career. Detroit is a terrible franchise and they should never have signed him in the first place. It for me is not so much about iq and personality as much as it made little sense from a basketball standpoint. They were attempting to play him as a three when everyone knew he is a four. Monroe is probably a five and he is playing the four Jennings is a shoot first point guard who can't guard his lunch. You talk about dysfunctional franchises look at Detroit. They are worse than the Knicks. Look at the number of coaches they have gone through during the past 8 yrs. They did the guy a favor by getting rid of him.

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Josh Smith would only be able to function with a coach that has an iron grip on his team.

That team, with that owner, is dysfunctional. Josh Smith to the Kings wouldn't work.

And they aren't going to make the playoffs.
Sacramento was 9-5 before Cousins got injured and they had won five in a row. They really aren't that far from being a playoff team. They should not have fired the coach especially without having his replacement in the fold. Josh Smith would fit in well with that team and they have tried to acquire him on several occasions during the past two yrs.

So have the Bucks and I won't that fucker as far away from this team as possible.

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Josh Smith would only be able to function with a coach that has an iron grip on his team.

That team, with that owner, is dysfunctional. Josh Smith to the Kings wouldn't work.

And they aren't going to make the playoffs.
Sacramento was 9-5 before Cousins got injured and they had won five in a row. They really aren't that far from being a playoff team. They should not have fired the coach especially without having his replacement in the fold. Josh Smith would fit in well with that team and they have tried to acquire him on several occasions during the past two yrs.

So have the Bucks and I won't that fucker as far away from this team as possible.

He would actually be a great fit in Milwaukee. They need a 1-year rental with Jabari out. They should sign Smith for the rest of the season.

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When has Smith ever been a real difference maker?

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Josh Smith would only be able to function with a coach that has an iron grip on his team.

That team, with that owner, is dysfunctional. Josh Smith to the Kings wouldn't work.

And they aren't going to make the playoffs.
Sacramento was 9-5 before Cousins got injured and they had won five in a row. They really aren't that far from being a playoff team. They should not have fired the coach especially without having his replacement in the fold. Josh Smith would fit in well with that team and they have tried to acquire him on several occasions during the past two yrs.

But they did fire the coach. And it was a stupid decision. And their owner, in a very short time, has shown himself to be hands on in all the wrong ways.

Dysfunctional.

How much did Atlanta win with Josh Smith?

In the NBA, there are easily identifiable basketball players that may look like they have some skill, but will never be winners. They don't fit well on successful teams. This is Carmelo, this is Josh Smith, this is Gilbert Arenas, and too many players to name.
To show you the lack of acumen that exists on here none of the teams that those players were on were any good before they got there. Denver nor the Knicks were in the playoffs prior to Anthony's arrival. Same goes with Washington before Arenas. Atlanta I'm not sure but I don't think they made the playoffs either. Denver and Washington were terrible. Arenas and Anthony led them to the playoffs. Both were responsible for making their teams legit. That gets lost when it becomes convenient to simply spout out message board talking points.

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When has Smith ever been a real difference maker?

Check the playoff series against Boston. He completely Outplayed Garnett. He also should have made at least one all star team. The guy has not been a bum contrary to what you might read on here. He is not the reason those teams in Atlanta didn't go far in the playoffs. Joe Johnson sold them out far more than Josh Smith ever has. Smith came up big in some of those series

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When has Smith ever been a real difference maker?


He was in Atlanta but you could always count on him to do stupid shit at the end of a game. Sometimes the shots would go in and that would make him take more of them. The coach (I believe Woodson at the time) just wanted him to step in a couple of feet and take those shots.

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To show you the lack of acumen that exists on here none of the teams that those players were on were any good before they got there. Denver nor the Knicks were in the playoffs prior to Anthony's arrival. Same goes with Washington before Arenas. Atlanta I'm not sure but I don't think they made the playoffs either. Denver and Washington were terrible. Arenas and Anthony led them to the playoffs. Both were responsible for making their teams legit. That gets lost when it becomes convenient to simply spout out message board talking points.

You've yet to show anyone on this board anything.

I don't think you understand how these "nothing but score" players work. They can dominate a regular season. They can score 25 points on 30 shots - most folks could. Who gives a shit if they lead their team to a 7 seed with 45 wins? They aren't winners because they cannot do anything in the playoffs. Real successful teams don't care enough to shut Carmelo down in the regular season - look at how often San Antonio saves themselves during the regular season?

Did you ever envision Arenas leading a team to a championship? Or Carmelo? Seriously?

edit: long time guy must be a troll. To ever think we'd be debating the stardom of Josh Smith. Holy hell.

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Josh Smith would only be able to function with a coach that has an iron grip on his team.

That team, with that owner, is dysfunctional. Josh Smith to the Kings wouldn't work.

And they aren't going to make the playoffs.
Sacramento was 9-5 before Cousins got injured and they had won five in a row. They really aren't that far from being a playoff team. They should not have fired the coach especially without having his replacement in the fold. Josh Smith would fit in well with that team and they have tried to acquire him on several occasions during the past two yrs.

But they did fire the coach. And it was a stupid decision. And their owner, in a very short time, has shown himself to be hands on in all the wrong ways.

Dysfunctional.

How much did Atlanta win with Josh Smith?

In the NBA, there are easily identifiable basketball players that may look like they have some skill, but will never be winners. They don't fit well on successful teams. This is Carmelo, this is Josh Smith, this is Gilbert Arenas, and too many players to name.
To show you the lack of acumen that exists on here none of the teams that those players were on were any good before they got there. Denver nor the Knicks were in the playoffs prior to Anthony's arrival. Same goes with Washington before Arenas. Atlanta I'm not sure but I don't think they made the playoffs either. Denver and Washington were terrible. Arenas and Anthony led them to the playoffs. Both were responsible for making their teams legit. That gets lost when it becomes convenient to simply spout out message board talking points.


The Amare led team was going to the playoffs before the Knicks gutted their roster for Marshmelo. The Nuggets actually got better after he left. Why? Because they played team basketball and got a lot of "good" talent from New York.

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