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When has Smith ever been a real difference maker?


He was in Atlanta but you could always count on him to do stupid shit at the end of a game. Sometimes the shots would go in and that would make him take more of them. The coach (I believe Woodson at the time) just wanted him to step in a couple of feet and take those shots.
The reason they lived with those shots was because he did so many other things to help the team win. That is why he is being sought by teams with winning records. I called it yesterday. If he is a bum then why do they want him?

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Josh Smith would only be able to function with a coach that has an iron grip on his team.

That team, with that owner, is dysfunctional. Josh Smith to the Kings wouldn't work.

And they aren't going to make the playoffs.
Sacramento was 9-5 before Cousins got injured and they had won five in a row. They really aren't that far from being a playoff team. They should not have fired the coach especially without having his replacement in the fold. Josh Smith would fit in well with that team and they have tried to acquire him on several occasions during the past two yrs.

So have the Bucks and I won't that fucker as far away from this team as possible.

He would actually be a great fit in Milwaukee. They need a 1-year rental with Jabari out. They should sign Smith for the rest of the season.

Like the chemistry with the team, don't think they need his act coming in town except as a visitor.

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When has Smith ever been a real difference maker?


He was in Atlanta but you could always count on him to do stupid shit at the end of a game. Sometimes the shots would go in and that would make him take more of them. The coach (I believe Woodson at the time) just wanted him to step in a couple of feet and take those shots.
The reason they lived with those shots was because he did so many other things to help the team win. That is why he is being sought by teams with winning records. I called it yesterday. If he is a bum then why do they want him?


You didn't call anything. No one here said he was a bum. The fact that teams want to sign him doesn't mean much. Teams went after Eddy Curry and Greg Oden when they were released too.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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Once again lack of acumen. The Amare led team was about .500 before Anthony got there and they finished somewhere around .500. They still made the playoffs. The following yr. They won 54 games. He improved the team. Stoudamire didn't give them shit that yr. Look it up and come back and holler at me

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When has Smith ever been a real difference maker?


He was in Atlanta but you could always count on him to do stupid shit at the end of a game. Sometimes the shots would go in and that would make him take more of them. The coach (I believe Woodson at the time) just wanted him to step in a couple of feet and take those shots.
The reason they lived with those shots was because he did so many other things to help the team win. That is why he is being sought by teams with winning records. I called it yesterday. If he is a bum then why do they want him?


You didn't call anything. No one here said he was a bum. The fact that teams want to sign him doesn't mean much. Teams went after Eddy Curry and Greg Oden when they were released too.
stay focused we are talking about Josh Smith

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Like the chemistry with the team, don't think they need his act coming in town except as a visitor.


Jason Kidd made the right decision. The Central Division is going to have 4 playoff teams for the next few years. Especially if the Bucks get another lottery pick.

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stay focused we are talking about Josh Smith

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With all of that good talent that they acquired Denver never made it out of the first round so using your metric in always talking championships how did they improve? The media jumped on the bandwagon and they were still bounced in the first round.

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Once again lack of acumen. The Amare led team was about .500 before Anthony got there and they finished somewhere around .500. They still made the playoffs. The following yr. They won 54 games. He improved the team. Stoudamire didn't give them shit that yr. Look it up and come back and holler at me


You said the teams weren't good. That was a lie. You ignored the fact his former team improved a lot once he was gone. Now you're overlooking the fact that the Knicks signed a champion and DPoY (Tyson Chandler) that summer.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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There were a number of people that said Dirk Nowitzki would never lead a team to a championship. I'm sure they also said it about Paul Pierce and Garnett. Gilbert Arenas was a top ten player and it wasn't his character it was his knees that prevented him from having a great career. I don't know about championships because he never had a championship caliber supporting cast. I know that isn't enough for a group that gets their basketball information from likes of Bernstein. In their world you are in basketball hell if you don't win it all. Arenas made his team better which good players are supposed to do. He took his team to the playoffs and was a difference maker. Could he have been the best player on a championship team? I don't know but a lot of people said that about Nowitzki also and he proved them wrong. He was blamed for the failures of Dallas and basketball people non Bernstein listeners always knew that he carried his team.

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With all of that good talent that they acquired Denver never made it out of the first round so using your metric in always talking championships how did they improve? The media jumped on the bandwagon and they were still bounced in the first round.


They won more games. George Karl was CoY. No one expected them to win a title but they showed how removing Marshmelo can improve the chemistry on a team. Similar to Josh Smith.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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With all of that good talent that they acquired Denver never made it out of the first round so using your metric in always talking championships how did they improve? The media jumped on the bandwagon and they were still bounced in the first round.


They won more games. George Karl was CoY. No one expected them to win a title but they showed how removing Marshmelo can improve the chemistry on a team. Similar to Josh Smith.
The Knicks also won more games Anthony finished 3rd in MVP voting but their winning more games was due to the acquisition of Tyson Chandler? Which person has led his team to the playoffs more often Chandler or Anthony?

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To show you the lack of acumen that exists on here none of the teams that those players were on were any good before they got there. Denver nor the Knicks were in the playoffs prior to Anthony's arrival. Same goes with Washington before Arenas. Atlanta I'm not sure but I don't think they made the playoffs either. Denver and Washington were terrible. Arenas and Anthony led them to the playoffs. Both were responsible for making their teams legit. That gets lost when it becomes convenient to simply spout out message board talking points.

You've yet to show anyone on this board anything.

I don't think you understand how these "nothing but score" players work. They can dominate a regular season. They can score 25 points on 30 shots - most folks could. Who gives a shit if they lead their team to a 7 seed with 45 wins? They aren't winners because they cannot do anything in the playoffs. Real successful teams don't care enough to shut Carmelo down in the regular season - look at how often San Antonio saves themselves during the regular season?

Did you ever envision Arenas leading a team to a championship? Or Carmelo? Seriously?

edit: long time guy must be a troll. To ever think we'd be debating the stardom of Josh Smith. Holy hell.
You know who doesn't care if they lead their team to the playoffs? Dan Bernstein. Washington was a shitty franchise that had missed the playoffs for yrs. Arenas made them viable and they were not a 7th seed. I think they were a little higher. It's not his fault that they didn't win a championship. You know what makes OKC contenders Durant and Westbrook on the floor at the same time miss one of them forget it. Lebron won when Wade was top five. Look at Kobe Bryant ' s record historically when he hasn't had another all star. You guys keep talking championships but they ate a product of who you play with.

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With all of that good talent that they acquired Denver never made it out of the first round so using your metric in always talking championships how did they improve? The media jumped on the bandwagon and they were still bounced in the first round.


They won more games. George Karl was CoY. No one expected them to win a title but they showed how removing Marshmelo can improve the chemistry on a team. Similar to Josh Smith.
The Knicks also won more games Anthony finished 3rd in MVP voting but their winning more games was due to the acquisition of Tyson Chandler? Which person has led his team to the playoffs more often Chandler or Anthony?


How many championships or year end awards does Marshmelo have? How many does Chandler have? Marshmelo didn't want him on the team. Who do you get your basketball information from?

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Nas wrote:
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With all of that good talent that they acquired Denver never made it out of the first round so using your metric in always talking championships how did they improve? The media jumped on the bandwagon and they were still bounced in the first round.


They won more games. George Karl was CoY. No one expected them to win a title but they showed how removing Marshmelo can improve the chemistry on a team. Similar to Josh Smith.
The Knicks also won more games Anthony finished 3rd in MVP voting but their winning more games was due to the acquisition of Tyson Chandler? Which person has led his team to the playoffs more often Chandler or Anthony?


How many championships or year end awards does Marshmelo have? How many does Chandler have? Marshmelo didn't want him on the team. Who do you get your basketball information from?
Which player is going in the Hall of Fame? Roy Hibbert destroyed Tyson Chandler in the series against Indiana and was the main reason that Indiana won. Since you don't much watch Basketball (outside of the bulls) you wouldn't know that.

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Roy Hibbert destroyed Tyson Chandler in the series against Indiana and was the main reason that Indiana won.

No, they won because of Lance Stephenson.

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To show you the lack of acumen that exists on here none of the teams that those players were on were any good before they got there. Denver nor the Knicks were in the playoffs prior to Anthony's arrival. Same goes with Washington before Arenas. Atlanta I'm not sure but I don't think they made the playoffs either. Denver and Washington were terrible. Arenas and Anthony led them to the playoffs. Both were responsible for making their teams legit. That gets lost when it becomes convenient to simply spout out message board talking points.

You've yet to show anyone on this board anything.

I don't think you understand how these "nothing but score" players work. They can dominate a regular season. They can score 25 points on 30 shots - most folks could. Who gives a shit if they lead their team to a 7 seed with 45 wins? They aren't winners because they cannot do anything in the playoffs. Real successful teams don't care enough to shut Carmelo down in the regular season - look at how often San Antonio saves themselves during the regular season?

Did you ever envision Arenas leading a team to a championship? Or Carmelo? Seriously?

edit: long time guy must be a troll. To ever think we'd be debating the stardom of Josh Smith. Holy hell.
I'm not a troll I'm just not one of the guys that is why the same people tend to come out of the woodwork whenever I post. I didn't start this thread about Josh Smith but he isn't the bum that some in here would have you believe and rather than hit you with facts you get message board talking points. He was cut which is a fact but he will be picked up soon and we will see how it turns out.

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Marshmelo is not going to the HoF. Chandler was injured during the playoffs and Hibbert only had 2 good games that entire series. You're thinking about Miami or 2K13

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Roy Hibbert destroyed Tyson Chandler in the series against Indiana and was the main reason that Indiana won.

No, they won because of Lance Stephenson.

Lance Stephenson only had one good game. Why isn't that formula currently working in Charlotte? Nas you spent the better part of 2-3 weeks telling the world how Jennings led the Bucks to the playoffs (false) why can't he do the same for Detroit?

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Roy Hibbert destroyed Tyson Chandler in the series against Indiana and was the main reason that Indiana won.

No, they won because of Lance Stephenson.

Lance Stephenson only had one good game. Why isn't that formula currently working in Charlotte? Nas you spent the better part of 2-3 weeks telling the world how Jennings led the Bucks to the playoffs (false) why can't he do the same for Detroit?


Josh Smith was on the roster.

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Marshmelo is not going to the HoF. Chandler was injured during the playoffs and Hibbert only had 2 good games that entire series. You're thinking about Miami or 2K13

He dominated Chandler that series. I don't know what was hurt other than his pride.

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Nas wrote:
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Roy Hibbert destroyed Tyson Chandler in the series against Indiana and was the main reason that Indiana won.

No, they won because of Lance Stephenson.

Lance Stephenson only had one good game. Why isn't that formula currently working in Charlotte? Nas you spent the better part of 2-3 weeks telling the world how Jennings led the Bucks to the playoffs (false) why can't he do the same for Detroit?


Josh Smith was on the roster.
Has Detroit somehow acquired Lance? maybe that accounts for all the losing

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To show you the lack of acumen that exists on here none of the teams that those players were on were any good before they got there. Denver nor the Knicks were in the playoffs prior to Anthony's arrival. Same goes with Washington before Arenas. Atlanta I'm not sure but I don't think they made the playoffs either. Denver and Washington were terrible. Arenas and Anthony led them to the playoffs. Both were responsible for making their teams legit. That gets lost when it becomes convenient to simply spout out message board talking points.

You've yet to show anyone on this board anything.

I don't think you understand how these "nothing but score" players work. They can dominate a regular season. They can score 25 points on 30 shots - most folks could. Who gives a shit if they lead their team to a 7 seed with 45 wins? They aren't winners because they cannot do anything in the playoffs. Real successful teams don't care enough to shut Carmelo down in the regular season - look at how often San Antonio saves themselves during the regular season?

Did you ever envision Arenas leading a team to a championship? Or Carmelo? Seriously?

edit: long time guy must be a troll. To ever think we'd be debating the stardom of Josh Smith. Holy hell.
I'm not a troll I'm just not one of the guys that is why the same people tend to come out of the woodwork whenever I post. I didn't start this thread about Josh Smith but he isn't the bum that some in here would have you believe and rather than hit you with facts you get message board talking points. He was cut which is a fact but he will be picked up soon and we will see how it turns out.


No one comes out of the woodwork when you post. In fact it's just the opposite. Either you are a really good troll or you are insane. It is really one or the other. It is virtually impossible for anyone to have a reasonable discussion with you about anything. Everyone else that has a good or bad basketball thought is able to do it.

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Indiana missing their entire starting five for most of the season had a better record than Charlotte, a playoff team the previous yr. had with Lance Stephenson in the lineup. Nas is still it still too early to call the Stephenson deal a bust?

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Marshmelo is not going to the HoF. Chandler was injured during the playoffs and Hibbert only had 2 good games that entire series. You're thinking about Miami or 2K13

He dominated Chandler that series. I don't know what was hurt other than his pride.


By averaging 13 points a game and shooting under 50% from the field? :lol: :lol:

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I can pretty much book 2-3 that will come out. It's cool I can handle it. No one has dumber basketball opinions than you. You're in the family that is the only reason you don't get hammered more often. Plus you're a volume poster and they would rather you stick around. It's not like you have salient or cogent thoughts. You're active which buys you capital. To quote McNeil by way of Lombardi never confuse activity with accomplishment

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Marshmelo is not going to the HoF. Chandler was injured during the playoffs and Hibbert only had 2 good games that entire series. You're thinking about Miami or 2K13

He dominated Chandler that series. I don't know what was hurt other than his pride.


By averaging 13 points a game and shooting under 50% from the field? :lol: :lol:
At some point you will stop stat watching and actually watch the game. He was a rim protector and rebounder and that impacted the series demonstrate your hypocrisy you just gave Chandler a whole lot of credit for doing about the same thing during their 54 wind during the regular season

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I can pretty much book 2-3 that will come out. It's cool I can handle it. No one has dumber basketball opinions than you. You're in the family that is the only reason you don't get hammered more often. Plus you're a volume poster and they would rather you stick around. It's not like you have salient or cogent thoughts. You're active which buys you capital. To quote McNeil by way of Lombardi never confuse activity with accomplishment


No one cares if you post. Can it be entertaining at times? Yes. Beyond that there is no value to anything you post. We actually like people that have basketball thoughts around here even if they are bad. There aren't many people that watch regularly. Before you proved that you were insane I believe I said we were happy to have you. Unfortunately you're a guy that doesn't have the ability to have a normal discussion. Like I said either you're a good troll or you are certifiably insane.

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Marshmelo is not going to the HoF. Chandler was injured during the playoffs and Hibbert only had 2 good games that entire series. You're thinking about Miami or 2K13

He dominated Chandler that series. I don't know what was hurt other than his pride.


By averaging 13 points a game and shooting under 50% from the field? :lol: :lol:
At some point you will stop stat watching and actually watch the game. He was a rim protector and rebounder and that impacted the game. To demonstrate your hypocrisy you just gave Chandler a whole lot of credit for doing about the same thing during their 54 wind during the regular season


Chandler was the DPoY that season. WTF are you talking about? How can a guy destroy Chandler by changing the shot of other players? Maybe you forgot but Chandler and Marshmelo were injured. Marshmelo hurt his shoulder because he was shooting too much.

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