Another misrepresentation don't you think? The thread was started by someone else and everything that I provided in it is relative to the thread. That is until I started down this path.

You on the other hand, have accused me twice of being drunk. Misrepresenting. Trolling. Manufacturing. I tried to steer it back but at some point it's necessary to call you on it. I'm good now. I could go on for a little while longer, but I'm good.

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If that makes Nas a troll then you are a huge troll as well.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I'll respond to this, but you're all over the place. I need some clarification. In the post you quoted, what opinion of yours did I misrepresent?

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You created the hypothetical that was a misrepresentation of what I actually believe. How is that for clarity my friend?

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I don't want the attention when I post outlandishly.

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Listen, I'll just rephrase that since this isn't going too well and I don't want to extend it: I don't think you make sound logical arguments some of the time. That's all. You can simply Google "informal fallacies" if you want to know more about where I'm coming from. Obviously you'll disagree and that's fine.

BTW, FF is not one to misrepresent what someone says.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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To be clear, long time guy, the drinking comments weren't meant as insults. It's just that your posts were making very little sense. I've posted many times while drinking. Pittmike and spanky's best work here usually comes after a cocktail or twelve. I wasn't implying you're an alcoholic or a degenerate.

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I'm not a hockey guy, but from what I read of CH's posts, he just seems like a nervous fan... maybe even a bit superstitious to get too optimistic. When I'm really into a team, I'm the same way. It makes me clash with fans who are overly optimistic.

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When you suggest that I'm trying to manufacture an argument, that's a misrepresentation. I didn't start the argument. You did. I didn't start the thread either. I merely provided a comment. I didn't even suggest that I was in favor if trading Butler. I merely was surprised that Orlando would turn it down . What argument was I attempting to manufacture?

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The argument regarding how valuable Butler is or isn't. The thread was about a specific trade offer, and you turned it into an argument about the value of Butler. The reason I think it's manufactured is because Butler is making $18 million a year and you said it was a cap friendly contract. That means that you believe Butler is a very good player, one who is worth more than $18 million a year. If you believe Butler is that valuable, it makes no sense that you took the Magic's rejection of the offer as an insult to his value, instead of a high appraisal of Olidipo and the first round pick's value.

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I totally agree. It's like a nervous, superstitious Cubs fan x 20. Except the Hawks win Championships.

Cap friendly relative to where guys will be paid in the future. His doesn't come up for 4 yrs. He is valued about right as it stands now. Guys are going to be overpaid in a few yrs and his contract will be cap friendly if his production remains where it is now. I hate to clarify this stuff all the time but assume that a knowledgeable guy such as yourself would be able to read through the lines.

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Being a Cubs fan makes it worse. Last year during the playoffs, I would move seats every inning they didn't score or stay if they did... all while knowing that it ultimately wouldn't work out our way, anyway.

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No reading through lines were necessary. The reasons for his contract being cap friendly are irrelevant(although I pretty much agree with you on why). He's on a current max contract that he just signed and we both agree it's cap friendly. The ONLY logical conclusion to that is that Butler is a very good and valuable player. There's really no other conclusion you can draw from it. Hence, any further argument regarding his value comes off as manufactured and you just disagreeing to be disagreeable.

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I have stated that the guy is valuable in this very thread. I actually have said that he is the only guy that has value in this very thread. Once again you are misrepresenting what I said. I also have never said that he isn't good player. That's a misrepresentation or lie to suggest that I have.

I stated that his value is the primary reason to trade him. So you are misrepresentating what I stated for the purpose of manufacturing an argument. I will bid adieu on this one and catch you up the road.

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That's cool.

I do not consider CH a troll either. Just like I do not consider Nas a troll.

Now America...that is a troll. Rube...that is a troll.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

FF might be referring to something like this for a manufactured argument:



*comment from Vegan

Youre arguing here against strawmen you created who say some of the following things:

1) Butler is untradeable
2) Butler as the best player on the team is a sustainable/worthwhile "model"
3) Butler isn't as valuable and/or good as the strawmen think because of the Bulls' poor play

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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If Jerry says OK to an Amnesty on D Rose next year, then I sell out this year, but if not....have to wait till next year to clear the books.

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I hate to break it too but that is sort of how the value of guys is assessed. Check the numerous arguments that I have had regarding Carmelo Anthony if you like.

You said that you didn't want to see him traded. That implies that you think he is untradeable. You may want to Google "valid inferences" while you are attempting to teach your logic course.

Merely providing an opinion is not looking for strawmen either.

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Nope. In no way does the first thought imply the second. This is why I sometimes ask you if you've been drinking.

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Yeah, I would have to strongly disagree that saying you don't want someone traded means they're untradeable.

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You sound stupid to be honest.

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Saying you don't want someone traded does not mean you think they are untradeable.

I would say I do not "want" Butler traded. But he is clearly tradeable, and if the right deal comes along the Bulls should trade him.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

This is such an obvious point that only a troll would disagree. CH and Zippy, please take note. Thank you.

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In what part of the article does it suggest that they are trading Butler to provide more comfort for Hoiberg? Isn't this an example of making stuff up? Purveyor of all that is true what say you? Did you call him on it. Did you question credibility? Did you accuse him ofor misrepresenting or lying? His entire argument has either been to diss me or Hoiberg. This is why you have no credibility.

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All ya'll need to stop ganging up on LTG and his valid inferences. And if you say you are not ganging up, that clearly implies you at least thought about ganging up on him.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I like that. I'm gonna put it on my business card. Thanks.

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LTG and I have no beef. I just disagree with his point. Don't drag me into your cult, vegan.

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