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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Greatest NBA Defender |
Who ya got? |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:32 pm ] |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:35 pm ] |
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| Author: | newper [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:37 pm ] |
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Hussra wins. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:37 pm ] |
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Russel Westbrook |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:37 pm ] |
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Pippin! Weeeeee! |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:38 pm ] |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:39 pm ] |
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Bagels wrote: Russel Westbrook  Where you at in the finals thread? I could use your help with LTG. Dude is OFF his rocker |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest NBA Defender |
veganfan21 wrote:  that's fucking awesome.
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest NBA Defender |
You guys are fucking insane. It's Kawhi Leonard and nobody is close. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:43 pm ] |
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FavreFan wrote: You guys are fucking insane. It's Kawhi Leonard and nobody is close. Who? |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest NBA Defender |
FavreFan wrote: You guys are fucking insane. It's Kawhi Leonard and nobody is close. GP |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest NBA Defender |
Thought it was current day players only. All time it's obviously Michael Jordan. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:50 pm ] |
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I had someone try to tell me that Isiah Thomas was the greatest defender of all time |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:51 pm ] |
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RFDC wrote: I had someone try to tell me that Isiah Thomas was the greatest defender of all time Defends his job history pretty damn well |
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| Author: | Free Ajent [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:38 pm ] |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:43 pm ] |
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FavreFan wrote: Thought it was current day players only. All time it's obviously Michael Jordan. Not so obvious. I don't think he was even the best defender (in pivotal games) on his own team. Ask Magic. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest NBA Defender |
Regular Reader wrote: FavreFan wrote: Thought it was current day players only. All time it's obviously Michael Jordan. Not so obvious. I don't think he was even the best defender (in pivotal games) on his own team. Ask Magic. Well it seems like you're using his height against him in that case. It's not as if PJ put someone of MJ's size on Magic. |
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| Author: | Hockey Gay [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:47 pm ] |
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Pippen |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:49 pm ] |
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veganfan21 wrote: Regular Reader wrote: FavreFan wrote: Thought it was current day players only. All time it's obviously Michael Jordan. Not so obvious. I don't think he was even the best defender (in pivotal games) on his own team. Ask Magic. Well it seems like you're using his height against him in that case. It's not as if PJ put someone of MJ's size on Magic. If I were going to use his height/weight/size, I'd have mentioned Rodman on Shaq and every other center or power forward he primarily helped shut down. Jordan was/is arguably the greatest of all time, acknowledging that he may not be the greatest defender isn't a shot. When it was time, he was the most tenacious. 90% of the time, Pippen was better. Imo. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest NBA Defender |
Regular Reader wrote: veganfan21 wrote: Regular Reader wrote: FavreFan wrote: Thought it was current day players only. All time it's obviously Michael Jordan. Not so obvious. I don't think he was even the best defender (in pivotal games) on his own team. Ask Magic. Well it seems like you're using his height against him in that case. It's not as if PJ put someone of MJ's size on Magic. If I were going to use his height/weight/size, I'd have mentioned Rodman on Shaq and every other center or power forward he primarily helped shut down. Jordan was/is arguably the greatest of all time, acknowledging that he may not be the greatest defender isn't a shot. When it was time, he was the most tenacious. 90% of the time, Pippen was better. Imo. I agree that it isn't a shot, and I'm more than willing to admit that Jordan may not be the greatest defender of all time, I just think the comparison to Pippen is unfair. The latter just had certain physical attributes that allowed him to do things on defense that Jordan couldn't do. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:56 pm ] |
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I was a little too young to appreciate Pippen in his prime. I was kidding about Jordan, although he was good enough where I can see how you thought I was serious. 2010-2013 LeBron is the best defensive player I can remember seeing and appreciating. When Kawhi Leonard is done I think he has a very good chance to go down as the Michael Jordan of defenders and win like 5 DPOTW trophies. Honorable mention to Tony Allen. At his best, there are/were very few better. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:02 pm ] |
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veganfan21 wrote: ...I just think the comparison to Pippen is unfair. The latter just had certain physical attributes that allowed him to do things on defense that Jordan couldn't do. No, actually I think that Jordan could do virtually everything Pippen could on D if he had to. Jordan's aggresiveness made up for Pippen's height & wingspan. But MJ wasn't asked to play Pippen's role (nor should he have been) and Pippen's was D on the best 2 or 3 on the other team, not being a team leader & offensive creator. It's kind of like Wilt vs. Russell in my book. Russell's primary job was D & holding down the paint on offense. Wilt's was to score first, second and last. Wilt had better tools, but his role (like MJeff) until LA was to spend his energy "scoring the basketball" (God I hate that phrase) |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:06 pm ] |
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FavreFan wrote: I was a little too young to appreciate Pippen in his prime. I was kidding about Jordan, although he was good enough where I can see how you thought I was serious. 2010-2013 LeBron is the best defensive player I can remember seeing and appreciating. When Kawhi Leonard is done I think he has a very good chance to go down as the Michael Jordan of defenders and win like 5 DPOTW trophies. Honorable mention to Tony Allen. At his best, there are/were very few better. 1. And yet the first argument we ever got into was about Bart Starr, retired what 20 yrs before you were born?!?  2. LeBron may be the least appreciated defensive player in history. For this alone, I'll never put Steph above him in current "greatest" player discussions. 3. People are flat out afraid of Tony Allen. For good reasons.
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:11 pm ] |
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Detroit Pistons Dennis Rodman. His combination of athleticism and fundamentals were the best I'd seen. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:17 pm ] |
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long time guy wrote: Detroit Pistons Dennis Rodman. His combination of athleticism and fundamentals were the best I'd seen. I'd love to see Draymond Green (heavier and about the same height) take on Shaq or Ewing in their primes. I don't think he'd measure up to Rodman, even allowing his (Green's) full arsenal of effort. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:19 pm ] |
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Regular Reader wrote: long time guy wrote: Detroit Pistons Dennis Rodman. His combination of athleticism and fundamentals were the best I'd seen. I'd love to see Draymond Green (heavier and about the same height) take on Shaq or Ewing in their primes. I don't think he'd measure up to Rodman, even allowing his (Green's) full arsenal of effort. They'd dominate him. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:24 pm ] |
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long time guy wrote: Regular Reader wrote: long time guy wrote: Detroit Pistons Dennis Rodman. His combination of athleticism and fundamentals were the best I'd seen. I'd love to see Draymond Green (heavier and about the same height) take on Shaq or Ewing in their primes. I don't think he'd measure up to Rodman, even allowing his (Green's) full arsenal of effort. They'd dominate him. Some of the rest of you won't want to believe this, but that is imo, almost inarguably true. Regardless of rules or game changes. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest NBA Defender |
To be fair, Draymond can go one of two ways from here, once he gets paid. If he's motivated, he has a chance to be mentioned with these all time greats. Rodman wasn't at his best in fourth season either. Also, it's a different game. Green is inarguably a much better perimeter defender than Rodman ever was. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest NBA Defender |
FavreFan wrote: To be fair, Draymond can go one of two ways from here, once he gets paid. If he's motivated, he has a chance to be mentioned with these all time greats. Rodman wasn't at his best in fourth season either. The Dennis Rodman that was with Detroit could guard on the perimeter better than Draemond. He was at his best then. That is when he was an absolute freak. The later Rodman wasnt as good because he was strictly a low post defender. Earlier in his career he was capable of guarding anywhere from 1-5.
Also, it's a different game. Green is inarguably a much better perimeter defender than Rodman ever was. |
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