Chicago Fanatics Message Board :: View topic - T-Mac in the HOF

It seems to me in a league where now anything out of a top 4 draft pick is considered garbage a lot of borderline HOFers are going to get in.

It's the basketball hall of fame
Paul Revere & The Raiders are in

If he gets in Benny the Bull should be there to greet him.

I dunno, I know he did a lot of stuff, but I can't remember much of it. 1998-2003 NBA was a wasteland.

I didn't fully understand the 1998 lockout, I just knew there wasn't basketball being played, and that when it started, the Bulls weren't going to be the Bulls anymore, so I peaced out on the NBA for a good long while. I missed most of Shaq-n-Kobe, VC, T-Mac, and Iverson ball-hogging and bricking their way through the Jordan-LeBron interregnum. I didn't start watching regularly until 02-03 when ESPN started carrying NBA games. I actually watched way more NBA than NHL up through about 2008.

I liked T-Mac, but I vote no. He had a few seasons where he was a scoring machine, but his career ppg is below 20. For a guy who was primarily a scorer, that's low. His teams were also never very good. He and Yao never really challenged for anything in Houston.

Did not win a playoff series until he was 12th man on the Spurs his last season.

I think C-Webb is also on the ballot and I'd treat him like most of us are treating McGrady...maybe giving a slight edge to McGrady in terms of who gets in first, if any of them do.

veganfan21 wrote:

I think C-Webb is also on the ballot and I'd treat him like most of us are treating McGrady...maybe giving a slight edge to McGrady in terms of who gets in first, if any of them do.

Webber had a much bigger impact on the game of basketball.

It isn't just the NBA hall of fame.

Webber deserves to be in for nothing else than that behind the back dunk on Barkley

Author:	veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:56 am ]
Post subject:	T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Nominated. By my count he had only eight seasons of high-level play, and he was maybe in the top five of best overall players for only 3-4 of those seasons. Players with less impressive credentials have made it, so I suppose he will too, but that just means there isn't a high bar I guess. Want to be clear here: he was an amazing player when he was on, he just wasn't an amazing player over a long period of time. http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... atr01.html

Author:	Jbi11s [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:57 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Wouldn't bother me.

Author:	Nas [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:00 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Dominique had to wait a year so he needs to wait a few years.

Author:	Jbi11s [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
That wouldn't bother me either.

Author:	Gloopan Kuratz [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:15 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
No way

Chicago Fanatics Message Board https://mail.chicagofanatics.com/

T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay? https://mail.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=104095	Page 1 of 2

Author:	pittmike [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
It seems to me in a league where now anything out of a top 4 draft pick is considered garbage a lot of borderline HOFers are going to get in.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
I liked T-Mac, but I vote no. He had a few seasons where he was a scoring machine, but his career ppg is below 20. For a guy who was primarily a scorer, that's low. His teams were also never very good. He and Yao never really challenged for anything in Houston.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:56 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
pittmike wrote: It seems to me in a league where now anything out of a top 4 draft pick is considered garbage a lot of borderline HOFers are going to get in. I'd say top 10, though there's a lot of garbage even within the top 5. The NBA, perhaps more than any other league, awards physical traits more than anything else. You've really got to win the genetic lottery in most cases to make it as a star in the NBA.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:05 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
I dunno, I know he did a lot of stuff, but I can't remember much of it. 1998-2003 NBA was a wasteland.

Author:	Bagels [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:39 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
It's the basketball hall of fame Paul Revere & The Raiders are in

Author:	Don Tiny [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Bagels wrote: It's the basketball hall of fame Paul Revere & The Raiders are in

Author:	KDdidit [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:56 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
If he gets in Benny the Bull should be there to greet him.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
I thought everyone gets in to the NBA HOF anyway.

Author:	Brick [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
No.

Author:	Bagels [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
From '94, on my retro kick before I let you let go clips I'll let Michael Jordan be my stylist I'll rock one of them baggy ass Tracy McGrady suits

Page 1 of 2	All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group https://www.phpbb.com/

Author:	long time guy [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:19 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
At his best he was in Kobe's class but don't know if he really had longetivity playing at an elite level. The injuries killed him. Its funny just last week he was ripping someone for sitting out games.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:55 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2003.html A case for: the 2003 Orlando Magic where McGrady dragged a team whose second-best player was Pat Garrity into the playoffs.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:59 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
KDdidit wrote: If he gets in Benny the Bull should be there to greet him. Curious Hair wrote: I dunno, I know he did a lot of stuff, but I can't remember much of it. 1998-2003 NBA was a wasteland. I take it you're not a fan of the Shaq and Kobe years. Pretty good WC ball back in those days. Kings vs Lakers was epic. Garnett was entering his peak and Dallas was becoming a formidable contender with Dirk Nash and Finley. If YouTube existed back then then VC might be even more well known than he is now.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
I didn't fully understand the 1998 lockout, I just knew there wasn't basketball being played, and that when it started, the Bulls weren't going to be the Bulls anymore, so I peaced out on the NBA for a good long while. I missed most of Shaq-n-Kobe, VC, T-Mac, and Iverson ball-hogging and bricking their way through the Jordan-LeBron interregnum. I didn't start watching regularly until 02-03 when ESPN started carrying NBA games. I actually watched way more NBA than NHL up through about 2008.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:13 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Curious Hair wrote: I didn't fully understand the 1998 lockout, I just knew there wasn't basketball being played, and that when it started, the Bulls weren't going to be the Bulls anymore, so I peaced out on the NBA for a good long while. I missed most of Shaq-n-Kobe, VC, T-Mac, and Iverson ball-hogging and bricking their way through the Jordan-LeBron interregnum. I didn't start watching regularly until 02-03 when ESPN started carrying NBA games. I actually watched way more NBA than NHL up through about 2008. Well if you checked out during those years then you definitely missed this: Pretty awesome symbolism there with the banners in the background as the new elites (VC, Mcgrady, etc) feast on a helpless, glorified developmental (Kornel David!) player after MJ exits the building. That picture pretty much summarizes the period youre talking about if you're a Bulls fan. Things didn't start to look up until Krause drafted Chandler and Curry.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:43 am ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Yes, on this, the final day of Boers & Bernstein, let us one last time fetishize the sight of one man thrusting his junk in another man's face to assert his dominance.

Author:	IMU [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
leashyourkids wrote: I liked T-Mac, but I vote no. He had a few seasons where he was a scoring machine, but his career ppg is below 20. For a guy who was primarily a scorer, that's low. His teams were also never very good. He and Yao never really challenged for anything in Houston. T-Mac had 5+ rebounds, 4+ assists, a steal and a block per game for his career. He filled stat sheets.

Author:	conns7901 [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Did not win a playoff series until he was 12th man on the Spurs his last season.

Author:	Douchebag [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
conns7901 wrote: Did not win a playoff series until he was 12th man on the Spurs his last season. Yes, that's a huge knock on the guy's career. I'd put him in the hall of very good. He had a great 5 year stretch or so statistically, but injuries really derailed him in the second half of his career. I would keep him out.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:48 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
I think C-Webb is also on the ballot and I'd treat him like most of us are treating McGrady...maybe giving a slight edge to McGrady in terms of who gets in first, if any of them do.

Author:	Brick [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
veganfan21 wrote: I think C-Webb is also on the ballot and I'd treat him like most of us are treating McGrady...maybe giving a slight edge to McGrady in terms of who gets in first, if any of them do. Webber had a much bigger impact on the game of basketball. It isn't just the NBA hall of fame.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Boilermaker Rick wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think C-Webb is also on the ballot and I'd treat him like most of us are treating McGrady...maybe giving a slight edge to McGrady in terms of who gets in first, if any of them do. Webber had a much bigger impact on the game of basketball. It isn't just the NBA hall of fame. Didn't realize he's been on the ballot for a couple years now. This is his third year.

Author:	Bagels [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Webber deserves to be in for nothing else than that behind the back dunk on Barkley

Author:	pittmike [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Lets call timeout on Weber being in just yet.

Author:	FavreFan [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: T-Mac in the HOF - Yay or Nay?
Bagels wrote: Webber deserves to be in for nothing else than that behind the back dunk on Barkley T Mac deserved to be in just for what he did to the Spurs in that final 35 seconds or whatever it was. That is easily of the most amazing things I've ever seen a player do. Like Bagels and others noted, everyone gets in the basketball hof. If you go by their current standards, and you sort of have to, he's a no brainer.