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Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:12 am ] |
Post subject: | LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Damn. LeBron just gives it to Charles here: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1858 ... kley-hater He's got a point, but don't like the NBA infighting. LeBron is in total take no shit mode these days. |
Author: | IMU [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Love LeBron. Hate Barkley. This is great. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
IMU wrote: Love LeBron. Hate Barkley. This is great. I love Barkley. Only studio show in sports that's entertaining. Although, sometimes old man Corso slurring his words is fun. |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
This is how people lash out when they can't argue with a point. Nothing Charles said was wrong. Though, it has been pointed out that a little while ago Barkley said Lebron can never be a top 5 player. That was dumb and this is likely a response to that. |
Author: | IMU [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
I think it is pretty stupid. LeBron is bringing in guys like Shumpert and Korver. Roleplayers. "All the good players?" Either way, it is the NBA's fault. Boston...Miami...Cleveland...Golden State... it becomes too easy to form these super teams. |
Author: | JORR [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Barkley seems to believe that the players of his time were evolved into peak basketball machines so that it is ridiculous to think that Mikan and Cousy are great players who could compete with him, yet somehow the evolution suddenly stopped upon the retirement of Jordan and himself. |
Author: | walkrman5 [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Barkley seems to believe that the players of his time were evolved into peak basketball machines so that it is ridiculous to think that Mikan and Cousy are great players who could compete with him, yet somehow the evolution suddenly stopped upon the retirement of Jordan and himself. That's the same way I feel about my HS & college career! |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Nothing Barkley said was wrong. LeBron came off really poorly witb some unnecessary attacks on Barkley. I still like LeBron but the pressure is definitely getting to him. |
Author: | Chus [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Barkley seems to believe that the players of his time were evolved into peak basketball machines so that it is ridiculous to think that Mikan and Cousy are great players who could compete with him, yet somehow the evolution suddenly stopped upon the retirement of Jordan and himself. Bernstein wrote: Look at their bodies.
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Author: | pittmike [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
I know nothing special about Lebron but as he nears the end it seems he is really feeling pressure. I think he really wants there to be no doubt he is the best and without at least 6 championships he won't feel he can feel that will be true. He would probably never say it but he feels MJ over his shoulder. |
Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Nas wrote: I still like LeBron but the pressure is definitely getting to him. I don't understand that. He won a title last season. He could have retired and would be beloved in Cleveland for the rest of his life. He doesn't have anything left to prove. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Charles Oakley piling on: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... /97280338/ |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Douchebag wrote: Nas wrote: I still like LeBron but the pressure is definitely getting to him. I don't understand that. He won a title last season. He could have retired and would be beloved in Cleveland for the rest of his life. He doesn't have anything left to prove. He's shooting for Jordan. His belief is IF they can beat this Warriors team he will have a good argument for being considered the greatest. He clearly doesn't believe that the Cavs can. |
Author: | Drake LaRrieta [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Charles Barkley is one of the few people in the sports media who are ever critical of LeBron. LeBron is a great player, but he won nothing before he teamed up with Wade and Bosh and when he came back to the Cavs he made the owners spend a ton of money, so he could get his championship for Cleveland. If LeBron had not baited Draymond Green into a stupid technical the Warriors would be champs again. I dislike the idea of suspending a player after they change a call after a game. If what Barkley said wasn't true LeBron wouldn't be getting all worked up about it. |
Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Nas wrote: Douchebag wrote: Nas wrote: I still like LeBron but the pressure is definitely getting to him. I don't understand that. He won a title last season. He could have retired and would be beloved in Cleveland for the rest of his life. He doesn't have anything left to prove. He's shooting for Jordan. His belief is IF they can beat this Warriors team he will have a good argument for being considered the greatest. He clearly doesn't believe that the Cavs can. LeBron is great, but don't think he can ever catch Jordan unless he beats this super team. Pretty insane amount of pressure to put himself under. |
Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Technically they are both right. Lebron is right about actions that Barkley has taken which were disrespectful of the game. Most if not all were things that occurred off the court though. Barkley is right about Lebron too. Lebron has helped engineered his way onto two teams for the purpose of winning a championship. He leveraged management into signing Tristan Thompson and trading for Kevin Love and it is debatable if either is worth the bread. They traded a future all star away for the purpose of appeasing James. They fired a coach for him. They have traded and paid for over the hill veterans as a means of appeasing Lebron.They have by far the highest payroll in the league and he is still whining. The owner is pulling back now and he should. Riley let him walk rather than deal with this B.S. No one ever questioned Barkley the competitor. Lebron's competitive drive has been questioned throughout his career. The last couple of seasons has caused it to subside a little but it is still out there. |
Author: | City of Fools [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
LeBron's supporting cast is pretty subpar. Irving looks at times like he's sleepwalking through games. He's an incredible offensive player but nothing on the other end. They really miss JR Smith. Korver should fit in eventually but he's just Steve Kerr with height and a quicker release. Thompson looks terrible a lot of nights. Same thing for Love. |
Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
City of Fools wrote: LeBron's supporting cast is pretty subpar. Irving looks at times like he's sleepwalking through games. He's an incredible offensive player but nothing on the other end. They really miss JR Smith. Korver should fit in eventually but he's just Steve Kerr with height and a quicker release. Thompson looks terrible a lot of nights. Same thing for Love. They should never have resigned Tristan Thompson. Irving will be no less than 2nd Team All NBA this season. Lebron resigned with Cleveland for the purpose of playing with Irving more than returning to Cleveland. He also knew that they'd be able to trade for Love. Love has held up his end of the deal. They don't win the championship last season without Irving playing the way he did. Acquiring Love and resigning Thompson were moves that Lebron wanted made so now he has to live with it. |
Author: | ZephMarshack [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
long time guy wrote: Technically they are both right. Lebron is right about actions that Barkley has taken which were disrespectful of the game. Most if not all were things that occurred off the court though. Barkley is right about Lebron too. Lebron has helped engineered his way onto two teams for the purpose of winning a championship. He leveraged management into signing Tristan Thompson and trading for Kevin Love and it is debatable if either is worth the bread. They traded a future all star away for the purpose of appeasing James. They fired a coach for him. They have traded and paid for over the hill veterans as a means of appeasing Lebron.They have by far the highest payroll in the league and he is still whining. The owner is pulling back now and he should. Riley let him walk rather than deal with this B.S. No one ever questioned Barkley the competitor. Lebron's competitive drive has been questioned throughout his career. The last couple of seasons has caused it to subside a little but it is still out there. The idea of Riley "letting" Lebron walk is one of the most hilariously absurd things I've ever read. |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
ZephMarshack wrote: long time guy wrote: Technically they are both right. Lebron is right about actions that Barkley has taken which were disrespectful of the game. Most if not all were things that occurred off the court though. Barkley is right about Lebron too. Lebron has helped engineered his way onto two teams for the purpose of winning a championship. He leveraged management into signing Tristan Thompson and trading for Kevin Love and it is debatable if either is worth the bread. They traded a future all star away for the purpose of appeasing James. They fired a coach for him. They have traded and paid for over the hill veterans as a means of appeasing Lebron.They have by far the highest payroll in the league and he is still whining. The owner is pulling back now and he should. Riley let him walk rather than deal with this B.S. No one ever questioned Barkley the competitor. Lebron's competitive drive has been questioned throughout his career. The last couple of seasons has caused it to subside a little but it is still out there. The idea of Riley "letting" Lebron walk is one of the most hilariously absurd things I've ever read. Agreed. Riley let Wade walk. |
Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
ZephMarshack wrote: long time guy wrote: Technically they are both right. Lebron is right about actions that Barkley has taken which were disrespectful of the game. Most if not all were things that occurred off the court though. Barkley is right about Lebron too. Lebron has helped engineered his way onto two teams for the purpose of winning a championship. He leveraged management into signing Tristan Thompson and trading for Kevin Love and it is debatable if either is worth the bread. They traded a future all star away for the purpose of appeasing James. They fired a coach for him. They have traded and paid for over the hill veterans as a means of appeasing Lebron.They have by far the highest payroll in the league and he is still whining. The owner is pulling back now and he should. Riley let him walk rather than deal with this B.S. No one ever questioned Barkley the competitor. Lebron's competitive drive has been questioned throughout his career. The last couple of seasons has caused it to subside a little but it is still out there. The idea of Riley "letting" Lebron walk is one of the most hilariously absurd things I've ever read. wrong choice of words. He didn't allow Lebron to bully him which is what the Cleveland owner allowed. In that sense he let him walk |
Author: | Bagels [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
long time guy wrote: He didn't allow Lebron to bully him which is what the Cleveland owner allowed. In that sense he let him walk Lebron is under contract for next year. Prior to this year he's always been working on contracts w/ opt-outs. That gives him some leverage to bully management into getting his way. Now that that's not there this year, I think he's feeling his power slipping somewhat....he can't use a threat of leaving in the offseason |
Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Bagels wrote: long time guy wrote: He didn't allow Lebron to bully him which is what the Cleveland owner allowed. In that sense he let him walk Lebron is under contract for next year. Prior to this year he's always been working on contracts w/ opt-outs. That gives him some leverage to bully management into getting his way. Now that that's not there this year, I think he's feeling his power slipping somewhat....he can't use a threat of leaving in the offseason The leverage that he had 3 years ago is evaporating. The owner has gone along with a number of moves that he wanted made. They won a championship but their franchise is screwed after next year IMO. They also overpaid for J.R. Smith this season. That was another move that "had to be made". The owner has been butting heads with Lebron all season because Lebron wants him to spend more money and he is unwilling to do so. If the Cavs are devoid of talent it is because of Lebron. They could have had Wiggins playing on a rookie contract and they definitely didn't need Thompson at that salary. He has to own this one. However this just demonstrates that supporting casts matter. |
Author: | Tad Queasy [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Barkley is going to be on with Waddle and Silvy at 3:00. |
Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
The King sounds like a wife bringing up shit that happen 3-4 years ago. Barkley has admitted to all these indiscretions... but LeBron hadn't addressed Chuckles' issues |
Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
I'm with Chuck here. LeBron wants to play with the whole league. Jordan wanted to beat the whole league. |
Author: | Tad Queasy [ Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
I think Barkley came off as pretty reasonable in the interview. |
Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
I'm fairly disappointed with LeBron here. If he could forgive the joke that is the Cavaliers owner I would have thought he could let well founded criticism roll off his back. Instead he got petty and personal. Now this becomes yet another generational argument. Every so often Chuck can stop banging out his one LeBron note as well though. |
Author: | long time guy [ Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: LeBron vs Charles Barkley |
Regular Reader wrote: I'm fairly disappointed with LeBron here. If he could forgive the joke that is the Cavaliers owner I would have thought he could let well founded criticism roll off his back. Instead he got petty and personal. Now this becomes yet another generational argument. Every so often Chuck can stop banging out his one LeBron note as well though. Agreed. While I don't think Jordan was the kind of guy to go out and recruit superstars no one really knows for sure since free agency didn't really exist in his era. LeBron has rings and ultimately that's what counts but his legacy will take a hit due to the way in which he orchestrated his way out of unfavorable playing situations. His Cleveland "decision" wasn't primarily about returning home. He looked at Irving and the potential to acquire Love and said to himself "I want in". Conversely he looked at a rapidly declining Wade and tender Bosh and said get me the fuck out of here. It looks like Durant has beat him at his own game and he is mad about it. |
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