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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | NBAs Regretful decisions |
There are some interesting takes in here. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... ar&cf=1 |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
I hate these sorts of articles. It's all hindsight bias. "If the Blazers drafted Durant instead of Oden then they would be better off" isn't analysis. |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
Ending up with the 7th pick in a year you are tanking |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
veganfan21 wrote: I hate these sorts of articles. It's all hindsight bias. "If the Blazers drafted Durant instead of Oden then they would be better off" isn't analysis. Yes it is. There are some things that were called early such as "Tatum being the best player from that draft". The Paul George stuff was an easy call also. I wonder where FavreFan stands on George/Butler these days? |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
billypootons wrote: Ending up with the 7th pick in a year you are tanking Agree with this wholeheartedly. I'm all in on GarPax being whacked and am willing to admit that i was wrong about them being the guys going forward. I think they did good work earlier (Pre Forman GM) but that time has passed now. Its time. Just think how they'd look with either Ayton or Doncic right now? |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I hate these sorts of articles. It's all hindsight bias. "If the Blazers drafted Durant instead of Oden then they would be better off" isn't analysis. Yes it is. There are some things that were called early such as "Tatum being the best player from that draft". The Paul George stuff was an easy call also. I wonder where FavreFan stands on George/Butler these days? Nope. It's hindsight. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I hate these sorts of articles. It's all hindsight bias. "If the Blazers drafted Durant instead of Oden then they would be better off" isn't analysis. Yes it is. There are some things that were called early such as "Tatum being the best player from that draft". The Paul George stuff was an easy call also. I wonder where FavreFan stands on George/Butler these days? Nope. It's hindsight. Speak for yourself. This is why FF's analysis of players is never to be taken all that seriously. FavreFan wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: Paul George is the most overrated player on that list. Durant and Westbrook are ranked too high but that's to be expected. Paul George is better than Jimmy Butler. He is also better than John Wall. Most overrated goes to Draymond Green. All of that is false 312player wrote: Ive thought all along that Fox is the best player in the draft.. I wouldn't trade up for Fultz. Boston will pick Fox and grab a pick from Philly next year. I think Jayson Tatum is the best player in the draft. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I hate these sorts of articles. It's all hindsight bias. "If the Blazers drafted Durant instead of Oden then they would be better off" isn't analysis. Yes it is. There are some things that were called early such as "Tatum being the best player from that draft". The Paul George stuff was an easy call also. I wonder where FavreFan stands on George/Butler these days? Nope. It's hindsight. Speak for yourself. This is why FF's analysis of players is never to be taken all that seriously. FavreFan wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: Paul George is the most overrated player on that list. Durant and Westbrook are ranked too high but that's to be expected. Paul George is better than Jimmy Butler. He is also better than John Wall. Most overrated goes to Draymond Green. All of that is false 312player wrote: Ive thought all along that Fox is the best player in the draft.. I wouldn't trade up for Fultz. Boston will pick Fox and grab a pick from Philly next year. I think Jayson Tatum is the best player in the draft. Good for you but most boards had Fultz no. 1. That's why it's dumb to criticize Philly after the fact - they did the obvious thing (take the no. 1 dude). SI's final list had Fultz at 1 and Tatum at 5. https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/21/nba-d ... eaaron-fox My point is I'm not firing my GM if, for example, he drafts Oden no 1 and then Fultz no 1 the year after that. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I hate these sorts of articles. It's all hindsight bias. "If the Blazers drafted Durant instead of Oden then they would be better off" isn't analysis. Yes it is. There are some things that were called early such as "Tatum being the best player from that draft". The Paul George stuff was an easy call also. I wonder where FavreFan stands on George/Butler these days? Nope. It's hindsight. Speak for yourself. This is why FF's analysis of players is never to be taken all that seriously. FavreFan wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: Paul George is the most overrated player on that list. Durant and Westbrook are ranked too high but that's to be expected. Paul George is better than Jimmy Butler. He is also better than John Wall. Most overrated goes to Draymond Green. All of that is false 312player wrote: Ive thought all along that Fox is the best player in the draft.. I wouldn't trade up for Fultz. Boston will pick Fox and grab a pick from Philly next year. I think Jayson Tatum is the best player in the draft. Good for you but most boards had Fultz no. 1. That's why it's dumb to criticize Philly after the fact - they did the obvious thing (take the no. 1 dude). SI's final list had Fultz at 1 and Tatum at 5. https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/21/nba-d ... eaaron-fox My point is I'm not firing my GM if, for example, he drafts Oden no 1 and then Fultz no 1 the year after that. Definitely not Oden. i'd take that 100 out of 100. Philly was wrong based upon what they had to give up. 2 lottery picks was too much for a guy that may be only marginally better. That was always my issue. Some of the stuff is actually too early to call and is in essence analysis. Too early on Doncic/Ayton. I think Ayton will turnout to be the better player in the long run. Jackson is too early to call also. I don't think he will be a bust though Fox and Markannen are better right now. Jackson has performed well at times. He is in a logjam at his position. Thats what hurting more than anything. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
So really unless you were the team getting a star player who demanded a trade, or Boston, every decision made by NBA front offices over the last three years is wrong? |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
Regular Reader wrote: So really unless you were the team getting a star player who demanded a trade, or Boston, every decision made by NBA front offices over the last three years is wrong? The article is right about that John Wall contract. That is some bad money right there. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
Douchebag wrote: Regular Reader wrote: So really unless you were the team getting a star player who demanded a trade, or Boston, every decision made by NBA front offices over the last three years is wrong? The article is right about that John Wall contract. That is some bad money right there. Sounds like he may miss the next 6-8 months too 
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
Douchebag wrote: Regular Reader wrote: So really unless you were the team getting a star player who demanded a trade, or Boston, every decision made by NBA front offices over the last three years is wrong? The article is right about that John Wall contract. That is some bad money right there. It is reminiscent of the Agent Zero bad deal as well. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
Regular Reader wrote: Douchebag wrote: Regular Reader wrote: So really unless you were the team getting a star player who demanded a trade, or Boston, every decision made by NBA front offices over the last three years is wrong? The article is right about that John Wall contract. That is some bad money right there. It is reminiscent of the Agent Zero bad deal as well. Problem is NBA teams routinely sign guys like Wall to massive deals when the only thing they will do is maybe get you to the second round of the playoffs in a best case scenario. Jimmy Butler will be the next awful big deal to be signed. |
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| Author: | Drake LaRrieta [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
conns7901 wrote: Regular Reader wrote: Douchebag wrote: Regular Reader wrote: So really unless you were the team getting a star player who demanded a trade, or Boston, every decision made by NBA front offices over the last three years is wrong? The article is right about that John Wall contract. That is some bad money right there. It is reminiscent of the Agent Zero bad deal as well. Problem is NBA teams routinely sign guys like Wall to massive deals when the only thing they will do is maybe get you to the second round of the playoffs in a best case scenario. Jimmy Butler will be the next awful big deal to be signed. What team is your odds-on favorite to sign Jimmy Butler? Is Michael Jordan going to want him in Charlotte? |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NBAs Regretful decisions |
Regular Reader wrote: So really unless you were the team getting a star player who demanded a trade, or Boston, every decision made by NBA front offices over the last three years is wrong? That's why this isn't "analysis". It's lazy dog shit writing. The only lazier writing than this is a David Haugh column. |
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