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Author:  ZephMarshack [ Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Ban trade demands, they give front offices the sad sads

I feel like I'm on another planet with the amount of thinkpieces and angry comments I've seen about how the NBA simply must do something about players demanding trades and free agency collusion in general after the past month. The two most recent victims of players demanding trades got gigantic hauls for the players who wanted out. The free agency period in general has never brought the league more offseason attention and the way it currently operates is a direct product of shitty owners and front offices asking the players to first agree to a max contract that shortchanges the very top stars and then cut the length from 7 to 6 to 5 years because they couldn't help themselves from things like the Allan Houston contract. In addition to the greater attention, this upcoming season looks like it will have far more uncertainty and parity at the top than the league has had in ages, so I really don't understand the outcry here compared to the aftermath of Durant to Golden State or Lebron to Miami.

The only way I could ever see myself getting on board with any kind of penalty for players asking to be traded while under contract is if there's a symmetrical punishment for teams trading contracted players who don't want to go. There's no way you can convince me that I should be angrier about Paul George or Anthony Davis for wanting out than at the Clippers for trading Blake Griffin or the Celtics for trading Isaiah Thomas.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:25 pm ]
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Fuck these fans who express outrage at trade demands or free agency strategizing. If the fan quits his job to work in a better location or for more money then ain't no one gonna complain about that. So shut the fuck up.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:53 am ]
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What you both are missing out on is that it's less about the players or the front offices. It's about the fan bases. If all the star players cluster in a few preferred markets is that good for the league?

Plugged in sports fans may enjoy these off-seasons, but they are going to watch anyway.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:01 am ]
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NBA fans don't root for teams. They jerk it to players
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:09 am ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
NBA fans don't root for teams. They jerk it to players


Those are the very online fans. Local fan interest is important to fill up arenas.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:28 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
Fuck these fans who express outrage at trade demands or free agency strategizing. If the fan quits his job to work in a better location or for more money then ain't no one gonna complain about that. So shut the fuck up.

So in this case its ok to compare professional athletes to Joe 6 Pack working a " normal" job ?
Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:29 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Fuck these fans who express outrage at trade demands or free agency strategizing. If the fan quits his job to work in a better location or for more money then ain't no one gonna complain about that. So shut the fuck up.

So in this case its ok to compare professional athletes to Joe 6 Pack working a " normal" job ?

Maybe Joe Six Pack should work harder and then he could demand to work anywhere he wants.
Author:  redskingreg [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:34 am ]
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I open my mail one envelope at a time, just like LeBron Durant.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:18 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Fuck these fans who express outrage at trade demands or free agency strategizing. If the fan quits his job to work in a better location or for more money then ain't no one gonna complain about that. So shut the fuck up.

So in this case its ok to compare professional athletes to Joe 6 Pack working a " normal" job ?

:lol: Beat me to it. That was a ridiculous post.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:19 am ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
NBA fans don't root for teams. They jerk it to players


Those are the very online fans. Local fan interest is important to fill up arenas.

Correct. Kirkwood's post represents like 1% of NBA fans.
Author:  Juiced [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:20 am ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
NBA fans don't root for teams. They jerk it to players


Those are the very online fans. Local fan interest is important to fill up arenas.


Not too long ago I would love to go to a Bulls game. Now I wouldn't go if you gave me free tickets.

Chicago, NY should not be ran like the 3rd rate franchises. I don't blame the players for the problems with the NBA. I blame the owners of these undesirable teams.

Just because a player wants to be traded doesn't mean you have to trade him. Problem solved.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:07 am ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
NBA fans don't root for teams. They jerk it to players


I agree wholeheartedly. Once you get past local rooting interest it becomes about individual players and not teams.
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:16 am ]
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Was Westbrook a demand? The first story sounded like that, but then a later update said he was "open" to a trade. Not sure if that was just his camp trying to spin it.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:17 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
NBA fans don't root for teams. They jerk it to players


Those are the very online fans. Local fan interest is important to fill up arenas.

Correct. Kirkwood's post represents like 1% of NBA fans.


No it doesn't. Just take the guys on this board for instance. Look at how many of them all of a sudden became TWolves fans after they acquired Buckets; Taj, and made Thibs coach. They had no rooting interest in the Wolves before that and couldn't care less about the team after they have departed.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:19 am ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Was Westbrook a demand? The first story sounded like that, but then a later update said he was "open" to a trade. Not sure if that was just his camp trying to spin it.


More like a subtle demand.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:22 am ]
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Just because a player demands a trade doesn't mean that the owners have to acquiesce. If the owners stop giving in then the demands will stop.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:25 am ]
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Watching players that used to be on your team means that you developed an interest in them because they once wore the uniform of the team you care about. It doesn't "prove" that people care about individual players. It's the opposite in fact.

If people only care about individual players then get rid of teams and have skills competitions that go around the country. That way we won't have to worry about bench players and their plus minus.

The NBA clearly has a problem. Stars only want to play in a few markets. The Finals MVP elected to go to LA rather than defend his title. It certainly makes many casual fans far less interested in taking the NBA seriously.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:30 am ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
NBA fans don't root for teams. They jerk it to players


Those are the very online fans. Local fan interest is important to fill up arenas.

Correct. Kirkwood's post represents like 1% of NBA fans.


No it doesn't. Just take the guys on this board for instance. Look at how many of them all of a sudden became TWolves fans after they acquired Buckets; Taj, and made Thibs coach. They had no rooting interest in the Wolves before that and couldn't care less about the team after they have departed.

That's pretty much just IMU, who isn't a Bulls fan, and Walt which, who the fuck knows. I'll root for certain guys more than others, and teams, but I think that's true of pretty much anyone who follows any national sport. There's no question who my favorite team is though, it's the Bulls, and I think the vast majority of NBA fans feel the same way about their team and the rest of the league.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:31 am ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Watching players that used to be on your team means that you developed an interest in them because they once wore the uniform of the team you care about. It doesn't "prove" that people care about individual players. It's the opposite in fact.

If people only care about individual players then get rid of teams and have skills competitions that go around the country. That way we won't have to worry about bench players and their plus minus.

The NBA clearly has a problem. Stars only want to play in a few markets. The Finals MVP elected to go to LA rather than defend his title. It certainly makes many casual fans far less interested in taking the NBA seriously.



Unsurprisingly you don't quite understand. People became Wolves fans because of Jimmy Butler and Thibs. It wasn't that they simply followed the team. They rooted for the team to win.

FavreFan is one of the biggest NBA fans on this board. Not to be confused with best as most of his thoughts stink.

Its fairly obvious that he roots for players i.e. Kawhi, Lonzo, Trae, Mitchell, and not teams. His love for whatever team they play for dissipates the second they depart.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:32 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
NBA fans don't root for teams. They jerk it to players


Those are the very online fans. Local fan interest is important to fill up arenas.

Correct. Kirkwood's post represents like 1% of NBA fans.


No it doesn't. Just take the guys on this board for instance. Look at how many of them all of a sudden became TWolves fans after they acquired Buckets; Taj, and made Thibs coach. They had no rooting interest in the Wolves before that and couldn't care less about the team after they have departed.

That's pretty much just IMU, who isn't a Bulls fan, and Walt which, who the fuck knows. I'll root for certain guys more than others, and teams, but I think that's true of pretty much anyone who follows any national sport. There's no question who my favorite team is though, it's the Bulls, and I think the vast majority of NBA fans feel the same way about their team and the rest of the league.


Local teams don't apply.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:34 am ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
NBA fans don't root for teams. They jerk it to players


Those are the very online fans. Local fan interest is important to fill up arenas.

Correct. Kirkwood's post represents like 1% of NBA fans.


No it doesn't. Just take the guys on this board for instance. Look at how many of them all of a sudden became TWolves fans after they acquired Buckets; Taj, and made Thibs coach. They had no rooting interest in the Wolves before that and couldn't care less about the team after they have departed.

That's pretty much just IMU, who isn't a Bulls fan, and Walt which, who the fuck knows. I'll root for certain guys more than others, and teams, but I think that's true of pretty much anyone who follows any national sport. There's no question who my favorite team is though, it's the Bulls, and I think the vast majority of NBA fans feel the same way about their team and the rest of the league.


Local teams don't apply.

:lol: what? That doesn't make any sense.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:35 am ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan is one of the biggest NBA fans on this board. Not to be confused with best as most of his thoughts stink.

Its fairly obvious that he roots for players i.e. Kawhi, Lonzo, Trae, Mitchell, and not teams. His love for whatever team they play for dissipates the second they depart.

That's not true. I still like the Spurs and would consider them my "2nd favorite" team over the Jazz. They're just even more boring than usual currently so not much to say :lol:
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:41 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan is one of the biggest NBA fans on this board. Not to be confused with best as most of his thoughts stink.

Its fairly obvious that he roots for players i.e. Kawhi, Lonzo, Trae, Mitchell, and not teams. His love for whatever team they play for dissipates the second they depart.

That's not true. I still like the Spurs and would consider them my "2nd favorite" team over the Jazz. They're just even more boring than usual currently so not much to say :lol:


If Mitchell is traded from the Jazz tomorrow will you still root for them? I doubt it.
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:44 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
That's pretty much just IMU, who isn't a Bulls fan, and Walt which, who the fuck knows. I'll root for certain guys more than others, and teams, but I think that's true of pretty much anyone who follows any national sport. There's no question who my favorite team is though, it's the Bulls, and I think the vast majority of NBA fans feel the same way about their team and the rest of the league.


Local teams don't apply.

:lol: what? That doesn't make any sense.


Guys that have only an interest in their local team are not applicable.

I'm talking about guys that claim to root for out of town teams.

Their interest in the out of town team is predicated on particular players being on the team
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:55 am ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan is one of the biggest NBA fans on this board. Not to be confused with best as most of his thoughts stink.

Its fairly obvious that he roots for players i.e. Kawhi, Lonzo, Trae, Mitchell, and not teams. His love for whatever team they play for dissipates the second they depart.

That's not true. I still like the Spurs and would consider them my "2nd favorite" team over the Jazz. They're just even more boring than usual currently so not much to say :lol:


If Mitchell is traded from the Jazz tomorrow will you still root for them? I doubt it.

No I won’t. That’s what I’m saying. I like Mitchell so I usually root for the Jazz when they aren’t playing the Bulls or Spurs. But this isn’t a unique to NBA fans thing. I like Baker Mayfield a lot so I’m probably gonna root for the Browns more often than not next year. I don’t think it’s unusual for fans to like certain players and therefore root for the team they play for in general. That doesn’t negate having a favorite (usually local) team that will always take precedence over any other.
Author:  conns7901 [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:57 am ]
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If the NBA wants to get away from players clustering in a few cities they need to go to a hard salary cap.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:57 am ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
That's pretty much just IMU, who isn't a Bulls fan, and Walt which, who the fuck knows. I'll root for certain guys more than others, and teams, but I think that's true of pretty much anyone who follows any national sport. There's no question who my favorite team is though, it's the Bulls, and I think the vast majority of NBA fans feel the same way about their team and the rest of the league.


Local teams don't apply.

:lol: what? That doesn't make any sense.


Guys that have only an interest in their local team are not applicable.

I'm talking about guys that claim to root for out of town teams.

Their interest in the out of town team is predicated on particular players being on the team

Oh. Right. But that’s not unique to the NBA. Kirkwood was saying nba fans care more about individuals than local teams and i think that’s ridiculous. You’re arguing something completely separate
Author:  long time guy [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:59 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
That's pretty much just IMU, who isn't a Bulls fan, and Walt which, who the fuck knows. I'll root for certain guys more than others, and teams, but I think that's true of pretty much anyone who follows any national sport. There's no question who my favorite team is though, it's the Bulls, and I think the vast majority of NBA fans feel the same way about their team and the rest of the league.


Local teams don't apply.

:lol: what? That doesn't make any sense.


Guys that have only an interest in their local team are not applicable.

I'm talking about guys that claim to root for out of town teams.

Their interest in the out of town team is predicated on particular players being on the team

Oh. Right. But that’s not unique to the NBA. Kirkwood was saying nba fans care more about individuals than local teams and i think that’s ridiculous. You’re arguing something completely separate


He never specifically said local teams.
Author:  Jbi11s [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:59 am ]
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I root for certain players, and the occasional team in pretty much all sports except baseball.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:00 am ]
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
That's pretty much just IMU, who isn't a Bulls fan, and Walt which, who the fuck knows. I'll root for certain guys more than others, and teams, but I think that's true of pretty much anyone who follows any national sport. There's no question who my favorite team is though, it's the Bulls, and I think the vast majority of NBA fans feel the same way about their team and the rest of the league.


Local teams don't apply.

:lol: what? That doesn't make any sense.


Guys that have only an interest in their local team are not applicable.

I'm talking about guys that claim to root for out of town teams.

Their interest in the out of town team is predicated on particular players being on the team

Oh. Right. But that’s not unique to the NBA. Kirkwood was saying nba fans care more about individuals than local teams and i think that’s ridiculous. You’re arguing something completely separate


He never specifically said local teams.

Why would he need to? That was a given
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