How the fuck did Dirk Change the game?

Calling me a dumbass strengthens and have you ever heard of him?

McAdoo shot 8% for his career from yet Walt aka "Willy Nilly" still thinks that he was the originator of the stretch 4 position.

Really? They didn't even have a 3 point shot for most of his career. The stat you're citing is based on 8 shots. Could you possibly be more disingenuous (without discussing politics)? Walt is right. You are wrong.

Really? They didn't even have a 3 point shot for most of his career. The stat you're citing is based on 8 shots. Could you possibly be more disingenuous (without discussing politics)? Walt is right. You are wrong.

So we know that he was a "Stretch Four' based on the eyetest of you and Walt? For the record the 3 point shot was in during the last 7-8 years of his career. In one of those years he avg 17 shots per game and less than 1 was a 3 pointer.

Sorry but I trust my eyetest a whole lot more. I actually did see McAdoo play and he was nothing more than a mid range jump shooter. The stats back that up. Walt is being so "disingenuous" that he is even attempting to redefine the position to mean guys that don't shoot 3's.

Conduct a tad bit more research (it ain't hard) then get back at me. Until then both you and that rambling buffoon are wrong.

You can buy his bullshit if you like. I'm not. He doesn't know a damn thing.

There weren't threes for him to shoot. The entire game was played closer to the basket.

How did McAdoo somehow become more than a mid range shooter?

50 pages...

How did McAdoo somehow become more than a mid range shooter?

Nobody said he was. What kind of idiot would shoot from halfcourt when the basket is worth the same as from 15 feet? The point remains, there weren't guys his size shooting from where he did in the time he did it. Walt is correct.

Then how could he be considered a stretch 4?

For the record Bob McAdoo played half of his career with the 3 point shot being part of the game. He was 28 when it was instituted. In 4 of the seasons after it was implemented he avg double digit shot attempts. In some of the years that he attempted double digits in shots he didn't bother to attempt a 3 point shot.


If you want to hitch your wagon to that idiot by all means feel free. Don't let this be the hill that you wish to die upon however. As asinine as your political arguments are this one is even worse.

Nobody said he was. What kind of idiot would shoot from halfcourt when the basket is worth the same as from 15 feet? The point remains, there weren't guys his size shooting from where he did in the time he did it. Walt is correct.

You mean when he was Kareem's backup and playing the post? It's funny when you're losing an argument and you don't even know it. Walt is correct.

:lol: Of course LTG is right about this. So much blind rage prevents people from seeing it. Someone standing 16 feet from the basket isn't stretching anything.

You would think a student of the game like ltg would understand that the 3 point shot was a pretty terrible shot to take on a percentage basis when Bob McAdoo played. League averages were like 24 to 28%.

Were Pete Maravich and Rick Mount elite outside shooters?

Is a stretch four a PF who stands 15 feet away from the rim?

In that era there were very few guys his size who didn't play with their back to the basket. I have no interest in getting into the semantics of what "stretch-4" means. It wasn't a term that was used in McAdoo's time. But what Walt is saying is correct. The only rage is coming from LTG who is mindlessly insulting him over something he doesn't understand.

Is a stretch four a PF who stands 15 feet away from the rim?

If Walt is calling McAdoo a stretch four then he is decidedly incorrect. You may have no interest in getting into the semantics of it, but the semantics of what a stretch four is is precisely what the thread is about

A stretch four provides a 3 point threat and adequate spacing for a guard to penetrate to the rim. That is his role in the offense. That role does not describe Bob McAdoo in any season he played. Because the position did not exist at the time is a pretty poor reason for saying Walt is correct in this case.

Some folks just think ltg is wrong about everything. He isn't always.

Not today. The line literally not being there makes a difference though. The 3 point shot being a bad shot nearly league wide also changes it.

To me, the idea of a stretch 4 is that they have outside skills that bring their defender away from the basket. That would mean a 3 point shooter now based on how the NBA is played but before the concept of a 3 point line existed there could still technically be a stretch 4.

That's your definition. I think it's reasonable to consider a "stretch-4" simply a big man who "stretches" the floor, which McAdoo unquestionably did. Walt is correct. And LTG is wrong here. In fact, it seems like he's just rageposting as usual, this time Walt happens to be the target.