I also noticed that he isn't quite as good of a coach when he only has 2 potential hall of fame players instead of 3.

Interesting thought Rick. I never considered either Pierce or Allen Hall of Famers.
I guess someone would really have to dig into the numbers a bit more to see what
it takes to get in. Allen averages 20.9 pts and 4.4 rebounds a game. Great 3 point
shooter and free throw shooter though. Pierce averages 22.9 pts and 6.3 rebounds a
game for his career. Obviously these guys aren't quite done with their careers but is
this enough to get in these days?

Did you really believe he was? He is probably in the bottom 5 of coaches in the NBA.

He may be the best pure shooter in NBA history

Ray Allen is borderline in my opinion. He may be the best pure shooter in NBA history.

Craig Hodges

pistol pete?

and i agree with nas, doc rivers is a freakin' fraud.

(Not pointed at you W_Z, I've just been wondering)

i guess you're right about pistol but that's why i added the "?". he was before my time. i was just thinking about how many points he scored per game, etc.

dammit, we are missing the point here. Doc Rivers and his assistant look like secret service guys. It creeps me out everytime the pan over to him.

my dad regaled me once with stories about being a young man in chalmette giving into his divinity (especially at LSU), but even more stories about hating the asshole owner who took his mormon ass up to utah and the jazz with him.

He reminds me of the FBI guy from Harold and Kumar 2 for some reason.

You really need to hear the stories of the other NBA players of that era then...talk about getting "into" the divinity....alright But, like your dad, but as a yute I began my disgust for all things Utah with that. The disgrace that that 'team' is still named the Jazz, in the midst of all of those 'people', damn. I despise Karl Malone, well....just because.

thing is, this is why my dad gets so tight about the saints whenever a move is mentioned. there's a provincialism down there that is almost unmatched anywhere else. it's almost scary how possessive new orleans can be.

[True story] After Katrina(and on the way to Baton Rouge), the first (non-family) thing I wanted to know about was the Sox. When I read that they'd started to snap out of their swoon I got happier than hell...until I started hearing the Saints in San Antonio crap

man when my dad comes to visit this summer we gotta make something happen where you two can talk. my dad grew up a sox fan because he was born on the south side of chicago. i'm thinking he's a generation or two older than you but perhaps not--and i think you two'd have a lot to talk about. (let's not make this an age thing)

the san antonio thing was...well...let's not...

Well, let me know when he's coming, I'm throwing a fest for my little league teams at some point this summer. I never need an excuse to make a big ass point of gumbo or have a crawfish boil as well.

As to your "question"....greatest shooter, no, the Pistol was perhaps the greatest scorer ever. A scoring savant. Hero to all of the then vertically challenged little kids dying to get into the game.

As to Doc, I just always wonder why Phil gets credit for coaching(motivational) greatness, but KC Jones and now perhaps Doc always get the short end of the stick, despite rings?

Since we're on the subject, it seems that the other coaching greats (Passenger Riley and the guy posturing in San Antonio) are always spoken of in damn near reverential tones. Why? Not particularly X&O innovative; rosters laden with HOFs themselves; nowhere to be found in losing/subpar seasons---especially 'Riles'.

(Not pointed at you W_Z, I've just been wondering)

I completely agree with RR