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| Author: | RFDC [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Paul Pierce |
Interesting dialogue in the 3 pt contest tonight between Barkley and Kenny Smith, Kenny says Pierce is in the top 5 Celtics of all time. Barkely says he is crazy. What do you guys say? |
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| Author: | schmitty1121 [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
Don't think top 5, top 10 for sure. |
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| Author: | spanky [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
I'm no NBA 'expert' but I'll start the list. I'm sure we'll get past five before Pierce: 1. Russell 2. Bird 3. McHale? 4. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
Bob Cousy John Havlicek Dave Cowens |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
i'd say no better than seventh. bird hondo cousy big chief mchale russell |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
He isn't a top 5 Celtic and the Lakers is the best franchise in NBA history. They've only missed the playoffs 5 times in their entire history and they've gone to the Finals more than any team. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
HOVA wrote: He isn't a top 5 Celtic and the Lakers is the best franchise in NBA history. They've only missed the playoffs 5 times in their entire history and they've gone to the Finals more than any team. It is pretty hard to argue with all the banners the Celtics have. No doubt the Lakers have an amazing franchise, but IMO the banners trump it. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
If Pippen played for the Celtics, where would he rank? |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
They only have 2 fewer and they've been there 11 more times. |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
Colonel Angus wrote: If Pippen played for the Celtics, where would he rank? He would rank higher than Paul. He would be top 5. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
Colonel Angus wrote: If Pippen played for the Celtics, where would he rank? Above Pierce. |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
Miss the playoffs only 5 times in 62 years is amazing |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
I'm not sure Paul Pierce is that great. Until he got Ray Allen and Garnett on his team he did absolutely nothing in the playoffs. As Les Grobstein says, Kevin McHale basically handed the championship to the Celtics. I don't know that Paul Pierce is better than Garnett or Allen. Oh and in the 3 point contest I believe he made the same amount of shots in the last round as Stephen Curry, but Pierce hit 5 money balls. |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
Not true. He had a nice run with Walker. |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
HOVA wrote: Not true. He had a nice run with Walker. This is the playoff history with Walker: 2003 -- defeated Indiana, 4-2, first round lost to New Jersey, 4-0, conference semifinals 2002 -- defeated Philadelphia, 3-2, first round defeated Detroit, 4-1, conference semifinals lost to New Jersey, 4-2, conference finals |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
HOVA wrote: Not true. He had a nice run with Walker. Run and Antoine Walker should never be used in the same sentance. |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
He does run when it comes to paying his gambling debts. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
HOVA wrote: He does run when it comes to paying his gambling debts. touche. |
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| Author: | man of few opinions [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
Mini Ditka wrote: I'm not sure Paul Pierce is that great. Until he got Ray Allen and Garnett on his team he did absolutely nothing in the playoffs. pierce is not a top 5 celtic of all time. he is the top celtic of the last 20 years though, and he carried this team through a lot of gloomy years. take a look at some of the rosters he played on, and then tell me he did nothing in 01-02 to get that team to the conference finals. he DRAGGED that team with him. after pierce and walker, they had nothing. i feel happy for him that he has had the chance to taste playing on a winning team. |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
Larry Bird and the gang played in the last 20 years but I get your point and I agree. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
HOVA wrote: Larry Bird and the gang played in the last 20 years but I get your point and I agree. Larry and the gang were over the hill 20 years ago (1990). Wasn't the last Celtics title with Bird in 1986? The Len Bias death really killed them (no pun intended) and they had to ride those old guys way too hard their last few seasons. |
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| Author: | man of few opinions [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
yeah, bird and mchale were at the end of the line once we hit the 90's. over the last 20 years, pierce is the best performer they have had. dont forget reggie lewis, though. he was very good and getting better when he passed away. he would have been a very good player probably throughout the 90's had he lived. not best in the league good, but consistent all-star good. his death really did the celtics in for awhile. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
man of few opinions wrote: (O)ver the last 20 years, pierce is the best performer they have had. dont forget reggie lewis, though. he was very good and getting better when he passed away. he would have been a very good player probably throughout the 90's had he lived. not best in the league good, but consistent all-star good. his death really did the celtics in for awhile. For whatever reasons, I always thought much more of Reggie Lewis during his brief career than I ever have of Paul Pierce. He seemed like more of a team leader than Pierce and was at times a real "light it up" scorer, where Pierce just seemed like a second tier gun at best. (Kind of like Gervin vs. Lloyd Free) |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
Agree with the majority of comments here. He's not a top 5 Celtic. I'd have him ranked in the 7-10 area. He's ahead of DJ I think. And yeah, he was a playoff warrior. It cant be blamed on him for losing to those Nets teams, who were easily the class of a terrible East. And he got the best of LeBron in that awesome Game 7 a few years back. |
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| Author: | man of few opinions [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
i think id go: bird russell cousy havlicek cowens mchale... ...then maybe pierce. that is some high company, but his consistent production and quality play through some lean years puts him 7 on my list. i love DJ and the chief were great players, but those guys never had to carry the load full time. pierce has been the team leader almost from day one on this team, including right now, even with garnett and allen. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
I wouldn't put Cowens above McHale, although I can see the argument. Either way, it's too hard to put PP above any of the people you mentioned. I'm not sure I'd have him above the Chief either. Maybe. Good point about him being the leader. When everyone else looked scared in the 4th quarter of Game 7 2 years ago against the Cavs he basically single handedly took the series away from LeBron and defended his house. The old guys watching must have been proud, even though it's not the Garden anymore. |
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| Author: | man of few opinions [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
yeah, after bird and russell you can shift those guys around a bit, but i think the top 2 are cemented and the next 4 are cemented. 7-12 are more up-for-grabs: pierce, chief, DJ, sam jones, heinsohn, carr. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
HOVA wrote: Colonel Angus wrote: If Pippen played for the Celtics, where would he rank? He would rank higher than Paul. He would be top 5. RFDC wrote: Colonel Angus wrote: If Pippen played for the Celtics, where would he rank? Above Pierce. Alex Trebek wrote: Ooh, sorry. The answer we were looking for was "What is 1.8?".
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| Author: | HOVA [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paul Pierce |
man of few opinions wrote: yeah, after bird and russell you can shift those guys around a bit, but i think the top 2 are cemented and the next 4 are cemented. 7-12 are more up-for-grabs: pierce, chief, DJ, sam jones, heinsohn, carr. I was all set to agree with you....but then....M.L. Carr? M.L. Carr? Really? Shocking 
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