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Sure he has been good, but not even close to the "insiders MVP".

He is the 3rd best player on his team right now and would say he has been the 4th best at some times.

Wade, good player, want him on my team, but not "The player who defined an ERA' as some have said here!

Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise.

The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise.

The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise.

Well if Kid Cairo says it, then it's true. He's the NBA expert of this board.

The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise.

I'm not the biggest NBA guy, but I'm bored: this statement is way too cut/dry.

You're not sure how another player can be considered the 3rd best player since 2000? All of these can be "considered" couldn't they?

(no specific order)
Shaq? Different Era but better than all three

Garnett? Different Era worse than all three

Pierce? Different Era worse than all three

Melo? No

Pick a PG? No

Just for the record:

Wade has missed 108 game due to injury since'03.

spmack wrote:

The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise.

Well if Kid Cairo says it, then it's true. He's the NBA expert of this board.

Give me an objective NBA thought then Kamps. I know you watch sports.

Didn't wade miss like 40-50 games or something that year they had a horrible record? Me and kid saw then that year and even with wade playing you could tell he was so hobbled, not to mention everyone there hated playing with Marion.

FavreFan wrote:

True. That was just a horrible Miami team and at the game we went to, I think Wade had just come back from an injury and wasn't nearly 100%.

Btw, while we are shitting on the 08 Heat, didn't they still beat us with wade taking over at the end? :lol:

Valentine's day 08 was just such a blur

Btw, while we are shitting on the 08 Heat, didn't they still beat us with wade taking over at the end? :lol:

Valentine's day 08 was just such a blur

I know I'm biased but I feel certain Duncan is the best pf of all time, and feel validated because the 2nd best IMO, chuck, said he was.

It seems like ever since Jordan was more or less unanimously considered the GOAT people are so concerned with seeing that being replicated or even surpassed that I've felt big guys are so overlooked since then. Kids wanna grow up being Jordan, not duncan. I understand the diminished competition argument but the 03 and 05 finals is still pretty fresh in my mind.

I think Duncan at his best was a better player than Kobe at his best.

JORR i think we both appreciate the difficulty in comparing generations. Trust me when I say I gobble up all the old NBA footage I can find. My favorite from your era was West. Since the guard explosion happened he's been so overlooked historically that he's just known as the logo. Some people think he doesn't belong in the conversation with Kobe :lol:

I'm sure, however, you can't blame me for thinking Duncan is the best ever. All the accolades speak for themselves and I just think it's crazy how disrespected he is even among my generation. The fact that he's not mentioned with kobe, and people are saying lebron is higher, on the list of best post-MJ players is actually incomprehendable to me as a true fan

And as great as Jordan and Baylor- and even Duncan and Barkley- may have been, I don't think you can really say they were better than the best centers: Russell, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Shaq, Hakeem, or Moses Malone.

Author:	bigfan [ Mon May 23, 2011 7:34 am ]
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Sure he has been good, but not even close to the "insiders MVP". He is the 3rd best player on his team right now and would say he has been the 4th best at some times. Wade, good player, want him on my team, but not "The player who defined an ERA' as some have said here!

Author:	Douchebag [ Mon May 23, 2011 7:45 am ]
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bigfan wrote: Sure he has been good, but not even close to the "insiders MVP". He is the 3rd best player on his team right now and would say he has been the 4th best at some times. Wade, good player, want him on my team, but not "The player who defined an ERA' as some have said here! 1. James 2. Bosh? 3. ??? 4. Wade?

Author:	FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 8:53 am ]
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Wade is a better rebounder than Chris bosh That alone sums it up IMO. Bosh has had a couple nice games, he flat out took over at times but I don't care if you talk to spoelstra and Riley every day you won't convince me bosh is a better player than wade. I don't think anyone's eyes lie that much, mine sure dont

Author:	The Original Kid Cairo [ Mon May 23, 2011 9:26 am ]
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Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise.

Author:	spmack [ Mon May 23, 2011 9:44 am ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise. Well if Kid Cairo says it, then it's true. He's the NBA expert of this board.

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Author:	spanky [ Mon May 23, 2011 9:48 am ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise. I'm not the biggest NBA guy, but I'm bored: this statement is way too cut/dry. You're not sure how another player can be considered the 3rd best player since 2000? All of these can be "considered" couldn't they? (no specific order) Shaq? Garnett? Pierce? Melo? Pick a PG?

Author:	spmack [ Mon May 23, 2011 9:51 am ]
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spanky wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise. I'm not the biggest NBA guy, but I'm bored: this statement is way too cut/dry. You're not sure how another player can be considered the 3rd best player since 2000? All of these can be "considered" couldn't they? (no specific order) Shaq? Garnett? Pierce? Melo? Pick a PG? Spany, this argument is over. Kid said it was D-Wade, so it is etched in stone.

Author:	spanky [ Mon May 23, 2011 9:59 am ]
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Just for the record: Wade has missed 108 game due to injury since'03.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Mon May 23, 2011 10:00 am ]
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spanky wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise. I'm not the biggest NBA guy, but I'm bored: this statement is way too cut/dry. You're not sure how another player can be considered the 3rd best player since 2000? All of these can be "considered" couldn't they? (no specific order) Shaq? Different Era but better than all three Garnett? Different Era worse than all three Pierce? Different Era worse than all three Melo? No Pick a PG? No

Author:	spanky [ Mon May 23, 2011 10:02 am ]
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Has nothing to do with hating. Is it really crazy to think wade may not be the 3rd best player in the NBA since 2000? Wade has missed alomst 1 1/3 seasons in the last 8-9 years. His team also finished with the worst record in the entire league at least once during that time.

Author:	spmack [ Mon May 23, 2011 10:04 am ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: spmack wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Dwade is the 3rd best player of the millennium era, behind Lebron and Kobe. Not sure how Big Fan could think otherwise. Well if Kid Cairo says it, then it's true. He's the NBA expert of this board. Give me an objective NBA thought then Kamps. I know you watch sports. To be honest, I agree with you....there was a time when Kobe, Lebron and D-Wade were looked at as the Jordan, Magic, and Bird of this era.

Author:	spanky [ Mon May 23, 2011 10:08 am ]
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I forgot to mention Duncan in my original list. Has to be in the conversation..... Yes Shaq had some great years the second half of the '90's, but I wouldn't say he was in a 'different era': 00-01: 28.7/12.7 01-02: 27.2/10.7 02-03: 27.5/11.1 03-04: 21.5/11.5 04-05: 22.9/10.4 05-06: 20.0/9.2 Averaged more the 2 BPG in all of those years also.

Author:	FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 11:20 am ]
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Wow kid. You know i respect your NBA acumen but wow was that ridiculous Tim Duncan is the 2nd best player of the millennium, and a fantastic case can be made he's the best Lebron and wade didn't accomplish close to what tim did the past decade

Author:	bigfan [ Mon May 23, 2011 11:27 am ]
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So, now we have widdled the WADE ERA to 2003-2011? Yes, his team, had the worst record in the NBA one of those years. Great players just dont allow it to happen. Part of being one of the all time greats is dominating games on a regular basis and I don't think Wade does that. He can be great in stretches, particularily at the end, but he is not the guy to carry the load for a season, which is what the great players do, despite "The Kid's" proclamation.

Author:	RFDC [ Mon May 23, 2011 7:20 pm ]
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It isn't fair, but Duncan's lack of personality hurts him. It will be interesting to see if the same thing happens to Rose as his career moves along.

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Author:	FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 1:01 pm ]
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Didn't wade miss like 40-50 games or something that year they had a horrible record? Me and kid saw then that year and even with wade playing you could tell he was so hobbled, not to mention everyone there hated playing with Marion. Anyway, wade in the 06 finals was just something else. I know he got many calls and everything but we all saw it, that's one of the best series I've seen a player play this millenium

Author:	Douchebag [ Mon May 23, 2011 2:08 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: FavreFan wrote: Didn't wade miss like 40-50 games or something that year they had a horrible record? Me and kid saw then that year and even with wade playing you could tell he was so hobbled, not to mention everyone there hated playing with Marion. True. That was just a horrible Miami team and at the game we went to, I think Wade had just come back from an injury and wasn't nearly 100%. I think that was the year that Wade got the separated shoulder and was carted off in a wheelchair (which might be the most hilarious cart-off ever). Shaq and Wade both missed significant time and they were trotting out lineups that were led by Ricky Davis, Jason Williams, Daequan Cook, Mark Blount, and Dorell Wright. They were in full tank mode and desperately wanted the #1 pick.

Author:	FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 3:22 pm ]
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I know I'm biased but I feel certain Duncan is the best pf of all time, and feel validated because the 2nd best IMO, chuck, said he was. It seems like ever since Jordan was more or less unanimously considered the GOAT people are so concerned with seeing that being replicated or even surpassed that I've felt big guys are so overlooked since then. Kids wanna grow up being Jordan, not duncan. I understand the diminished competition argument but the 03 and 05 finals is still pretty fresh in my mind. I think Duncan at his best was a better player than Kobe at his best.

Author:	FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 3:27 pm ]
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Btw, while we are shitting on the 08 Heat, didn't they still beat us with wade taking over at the end? Valentine's day 08 was just such a blur

Author:	Douchebag [ Mon May 23, 2011 3:31 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Btw, while we are shitting on the 08 Heat, didn't they still beat us with wade taking over at the end? Valentine's day 08 was just such a blur Tanking Heat > Jim Boylan Bulls That was just a terrible year and I had blocked it from my memory. Thanks for making me remember the Larry Hughes era.

Author:	FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 7:08 pm ]
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i knew i made that previous comment for a reason. I do remember officially being done with him as a player sometime around that

Author:	JORR [ Mon May 23, 2011 7:08 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: I know I'm biased but I feel certain Duncan is the best pf of all time, and feel validated because the 2nd best IMO, chuck, said he was. It seems like ever since Jordan was more or less unanimously considered the GOAT people are so concerned with seeing that being replicated or even surpassed that I've felt big guys are so overlooked since then. Kids wanna grow up being Jordan, not duncan. I understand the diminished competition argument but the 03 and 05 finals is still pretty fresh in my mind. I think Duncan at his best was a better player than Kobe at his best. I agree with the part about big men. They're now dismissed as "just big". Well, it's a big man's game and the "best ever" if there really is such a thing, is undoubtedly one of the great centers. I might disagree with you on the power forwards, as I'd suggest Jerry Lucas and Elvin Hayes are in the conversation. Tough to beat Barkley's percentage though.

Author:	FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 7:18 pm ]
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JORR i think we both appreciate the difficulty in comparing generations. Trust me when I say I gobble up all the old NBA footage I can find. My favorite from your era was West. Since the guard explosion happened he's been so overlooked historically that he's just known as the logo. Some people think he doesn't belong in the conversation with Kobe I'm sure, however, you can't blame me for thinking Duncan is the best ever. All the accolades speak for themselves and I just think it's crazy how disrespected he is even among my generation. The fact that he's not mentioned with kobe, and people are saying lebron is higher, on the list of best post-MJ players is actually incomprehendable to me as a true fan

Author:	JORR [ Mon May 23, 2011 7:43 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: JORR i think we both appreciate the difficulty in comparing generations. Trust me when I say I gobble up all the old NBA footage I can find. My favorite from your era was West. Since the guard explosion happened he's been so overlooked historically that he's just known as the logo. Some people think he doesn't belong in the conversation with Kobe I'm sure, however, you can't blame me for thinking Duncan is the best ever. All the accolades speak for themselves and I just think it's crazy how disrespected he is even among my generation. The fact that he's not mentioned with kobe, and people are saying lebron is higher, on the list of best post-MJ players is actually incomprehendable to me as a true fan West isn't really my era. That's a little before my time, but like you, I appreciate that there have been great players throughout history. A lot of people like to act as if man was a tiny crippled animal just a generation ago. I find it ridiculous that danny bernstein considers Dick Butkus "slow, tiny, and white". And I know he hasn't said this (I don't want to be accused of listening to imaginary radio). but I get the impression from things he has said that he believes a guy like Omer Asik would be equal or greater than George Mikan had he played in that era. I'm certain that isn't close to being the case. Maybe Asik would be like Connie Dierking. I don't get the desire to declare someone the "best ever". To me, Elgin Baylor was Jordan before there was a Jordan. We can see the numbers. And as great as Jordan and Baylor- and even Duncan and Barkley- may have been, I don't think you can really say they were better than the best centers: Russell, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Shaq, Hakeem, or Moses Malone.

Author:	RFDC [ Mon May 23, 2011 7:45 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: And as great as Jordan and Baylor- and even Duncan and Barkley- may have been, I don't think you can really say they were better than the best centers: Russell, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Shaq, Hakeem, or Moses Malone. So in your opinion all these big guys were better at basketball than Jordan?