FavreFan wrote:
3-4 years ago KS had a good point
Re-reading this thread and this statement here made me laugh. KS has a good point every 3-4 years whether he wants to or not.
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 10:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Dirk |
3-4 years ago KS had a good point about Caron butler. That's why this thread's title is in this category. Can we discuss? Kid, definitely wanna hear your thoughts. Illl try to stop flip flopping on Dirk from now on regardless of what happens. He is truly a transcendent athlete who significantly changed, impacted, influenced the direction of the league. Bargnaini probably owes half his monetary worth to dirk. Especially in this era he never demanded a trade, never humiliated teammates, was fiercely loyal, and has shown a resiliency and toughness rarely matched today. I think it's safe to say Dirk is one of the best basketball players in history, regardless of how you quantify that previous statement |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon May 23, 2011 11:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
FF, I am glad to see you can change your opinion on someone like Dirk. As a long time fan of his, I am thrilled to see him playing like this in the playoffs. I don't think there is any question that he is one of the greatest players of this era. And IMO he is the greatest European player ever. If the Bulls cannot get a title this year, I definitely want to see Dirk get a ring. |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Mon May 23, 2011 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
He's been great in the playoffs this year after fading his entire career let's not go overboard. I'm still going to say Drazen even though I'll be the only on. I think a young Sabonis was better. Probably the best Euro player ever. |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Mon May 23, 2011 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
Dirk isn't in the same league as Bird. Bird was better and he was clutch. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
HOVA wrote: He's been great in the playoffs this year after fading his entire career let's not go overboard. I'm still going to say Drazen even though I'll be the only on. I think a young Sabonis was better. Probably the best Euro player ever. Saying Drazen is better than Dirk is similar to saying Bill Walton was a top 3-4 center of all time. It's possible but I prefer the general standard longevity and intangibles entangled with obvious transcendent skill If you think a young Sabonis was better it's because you're drunk or Rick logged onto your account because he was having argument withdrawals |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon May 23, 2011 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
FavreFan wrote: 3-4 years ago KS had a good point Re-reading this thread and this statement here made me laugh. KS has a good point every 3-4 years whether he wants to or not.
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 11:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
| that is a nice catch but I've always enjoyed KS hoops talk/opinions as much as anyone's I've seen here. Except my own of course
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon May 23, 2011 11:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
FavreFan wrote: :lol: that is a nice catch but I've always enjoyed KS hoops talk/opinions as much as anyone's I've seen here. Except my own of course Especially when it was done under "Carrie" 
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon May 23, 2011 11:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
Still kinda annoyed people think I was capable of that. But sp has much influence here... |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 24, 2011 12:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
Q.Bovifs wrote: "The Berserker" is a bad ass. Dirk vs. Larry Bird - who wins? Not as easy of an answer as you might think. . . It's an easier answer than what is 2+2 if you know NBA stuff |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue May 24, 2011 3:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
FavreFan wrote: Q.Bovifs wrote: "The Berserker" is a bad ass. Dirk vs. Larry Bird - who wins? Not as easy of an answer as you might think. . . It's an easier answer than what is 2+2 if you know NBA stuff Exactly, Bird is better. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Tue May 24, 2011 6:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
Bird was better than Dirk. Like I said in another thread, I think Dave Cowens is a good comparison. They're both big guys who can shoot. Bird was a premium shooter for a guy of any size. He was a different level. He hit about half his shots. And he shot from all over. With regard to Sabonis, I don't think we ever saw him at his best in the NBA. He was already plagued by nagging injures by the time he got here. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue May 24, 2011 7:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: With regard to Sabonis, I don't think we ever saw him at his best in the NBA. He was already plagued by nagging injures by the time he got here. Yeah, he was the best European player ever. You can find some decent highlight tapes of a young Sabonis on youtube. Dirk might be better. Its hard to compare across eras but to add in the different league and level of play makes it near impossible. JORR, lets not feel the need to deem any one of them the best. Theyre both awesome. |
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| Author: | ZephMarshack [ Tue May 24, 2011 1:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Bird was better than Dirk. Like I said in another thread, I think Dave Cowens is a good comparison. They're both big guys who can shoot. Bird was a premium shooter for a guy of any size. He was a different level. He hit about half his shots. And he shot from all over. Nowitzki's true shooting percentage and 3-point percentage are actually greater than Bird's and they have roughly equal efficient field goal percentages. I have no problem if you think Bird is better, but you really undersell Nowitzki if you suggest he's merely a good shooter for a big guy. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Tue May 24, 2011 2:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
ZephMarshack wrote: Nowitzki's true shooting percentage and 3-point percentage are actually greater than Bird's and they have roughly equal efficient field goal percentages. I have no problem if you think Bird is better, but you really undersell Nowitzki if you suggest he's merely a good shooter for a big guy. I never said he was "merely" a good shooter for a big guy. He's a great player. An All-Star. A Hall of Famer. A lot like Dave Cowens. He isn't Larry Bird though. |
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| Author: | ZephMarshack [ Tue May 24, 2011 2:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: ZephMarshack wrote: Nowitzki's true shooting percentage and 3-point percentage are actually greater than Bird's and they have roughly equal efficient field goal percentages. I have no problem if you think Bird is better, but you really undersell Nowitzki if you suggest he's merely a good shooter for a big guy. I never said he was "merely" a good shooter for a big guy. He's a great player. An All-Star. A Hall of Famer. A lot like Dave Cowens. He isn't Larry Bird though. Offensively he's a lot closer to Bird than Cowens. Edit: And while you did not use the word "merely" that sure seemed to be the implication with the "big guys who can shoot" vs. "premium shooter of any size" language. |
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| Author: | JORR [ Tue May 24, 2011 2:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
ZephMarshack wrote: Offensively he's a lot closer to Bird than Cowens. Well, Cowens had a much smaller career than either of them. I'm just telling you the guy he most reminds me of. Cowens didn't really play in the 3-point basket era either. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 24, 2011 2:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
One huge difference here... It took dirk a decade roughly to be an unguardable scorer in terms of getting his shot on any type of defender. It took Bird a couple years to start completing dominating a game on offense. Just look at the huge gap between them in terms of transition offense. Getting teammates involved. The difference in titles was obviously not just luck |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 24, 2011 5:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
You more or less told me it looked foolish as hell to start a shoutout thread every time you start really enjoying a player's game. Took me a few years but lesson learned sir |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 24, 2011 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
You just invited sp to the thread KS. I just hope she posts at the same second I do and he is momentarily confused |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed May 25, 2011 4:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
I think Larry Bird's ball-handling, passing, and court-vision are underrated. You could make the case that Bird was a point-forward long before Pippen made it popular. Also, Bird played really good team defense. Bird was a better player no doubt, but Dirk is comparable. My argument with JORR from a few months ago wasn't whether Dirk was better than Bird, but whether Dirk would've won those same Celtics titles in place of Bird. I still say that if you swap out Bird for Dirk, Boston still wins those championships. All that being said, Dirk is still one of my favorite players ever and I still don't think the NBA-watching world truly appreciates how special a player he is. Sorta like David Robinson. I still don't think David Robinson quite gets the amount of adulation he deserves - probably because he didn't win until Duncan got there - but that's a different conversation. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
Dirk will never be Larry Legend, but this means more than KG's ring for legacy talks. I've never had such a strong change of heart on a player this late in a career. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:09 pm ] |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:12 pm ] |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:14 am ] |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:25 am ] |
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| Author: | JORR [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:32 am ] |
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| Author: | Northside_Dan [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... als_061311 Really great article from Wojnarowski on Dirk/LeBron |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dirk |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:38 am ] |
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