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that never interferes with FF's insistence on prognosticating.

the curse may continue.

W_Z wrote:

that never interferes with FF's insistence on prognosticating.

the curse may continue.

The curse doesn't apply to NBA PGs. I was right in '07-'08 when I was called an idiot for saying CP3 was the best PG in the league, and right when I was called an idiot for saying Rondo is a future All Star back in '08.

FavreFan wrote:

W_Z wrote:

that never interferes with FF's insistence on prognosticating.

the curse may continue.

I seem to remember you being the last person on the "Rondo is just as good as Rose" bandwagon too.

please...mr. espn, enough with the nick names. the guy's name is chris paul.

do you call griffith RG3 too?

FavreFan wrote:

Obviously Rose will deserve it more but all Lin has to do is stay moderately good and China will make sure he leads the NBA in voting. If Lin sustains something close to his level of play the past 6 game for NY for the forseeable future Rose might get screwed a few times.

Let's wait until they meet head-to-head before we go speculating.

Also, he's Taiwanese, not Chinese - let's no get all racist with it.

When I said that he was. Rose is clearly the best PG in the league now, a little ahead of Paul. And Rondo/Deron would be 3 and 4 depending on the rest of the roster.

FavreFan wrote:

When I said that he was. Rose is clearly the best PG in the league now, a little ahead of Paul. And Rondo/Deron would be 3 and 4 depending on the rest of the roster.

Wrong. http://www.score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=700424#p700424

That was less than halfway through his 3rd year and I said "I'm not sure Rose is better than Rondo". It hadn't been clear long enough at that point in my opinion.

FavreFan wrote:

That was less than halfway through his 3rd year and I said "I'm not sure Rose is better than Rondo". It hadn't been clear long enough at that point in my opinion.

So your opinion wasn't wrong because in your opinion it wasn't wrong at the time? :lol:

Rose was better by then, and has proven that he is much better since then.

I found the thread I was looking for.

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=815190#p815190

FavreFan wouldn't even consider the possibility that Rose was better than Rondo after Rose's second season.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

That's because he wasn't. Rose took a huge leap in his 3rd season. After two seasons he was a better scorer than Rondo, Rondo was a better passer, rebounder, and defender. Rose's vast improvement in the halfcourt and as a defender turned him into the best PG in the league. He wasn't there after two seasons.

I did misremember the playoffs though in the above post though. Rondo destroyed the Bulls in Rose's rookie season, not his second season.

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

That's the best evidence I could find about you being the last on the "Rondo is better than Rose" bandwagon. I know you'll disagree, but I don't think that Rose went from significantly worse than Rajon Rondo to NBA MVP by working hard for a few months.

Prediction: Jeremy Lin will be a better pro than Evan Turner

If Jeremy Lin can't be an All-Star because he's only played three good games, then how did Melo get in?

Coach D'Antoni wrote:

If Jeremy Lin can't be an All-Star because he's only played three good games, then how did Melo get in?

https://twitter.com/#!/Coach_D_Antoni

NearWessSideHussra wrote:

Coach D'Antoni wrote:

If Jeremy Lin can't be an All-Star because he's only played three good games, then how did Melo get in?

https://twitter.com/#!/Coach_D_Antoni

D'Antoni is an idiot. Probably not a good idea to take veiled shots at your franchise player in a misguided attempt to compliment your young PG.

that's not the real D'Antoni, FF :lol:

Rose garnered 1,514,723 votes, the second-most in the East behind Howard and third-most overall.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:12 am ]
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Obviously Rose will deserve it more but all Lin has to do is stay moderately good and China will make sure he leads the NBA in voting. If Lin sustains something close to his level of play the past 6 game for NY for the forseeable future Rose might get screwed a few times.

Author:	W_Z [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:36 am ]
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that never interferes with FF's insistence on prognosticating. the curse may continue.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:47 am ]
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W_Z wrote: that never interferes with FF's insistence on prognosticating. the curse may continue. The curse doesn't apply to NBA PGs. I was right in '07-'08 when I was called an idiot for saying CP3 was the best PG in the league, and right when I was called an idiot for saying Rondo is a future All Star back in '08.

Author:	W_Z [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:50 am ]
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please...mr. espn, enough with the nick names. the guy's name is chris paul. do you call griffith RG3 too?

Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:51 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: W_Z wrote: that never interferes with FF's insistence on prognosticating. the curse may continue. The curse doesn't apply to NBA PGs. I was right in '07-'08 when I was called an idiot for saying CP3 was the best PG in the league, and right when I was called an idiot for saying Rondo is a future All Star back in '08. I seem to remember you being the last person on the "Rondo is just as good as Rose" bandwagon too.

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Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:53 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: W_Z wrote: that never interferes with FF's insistence on prognosticating. the curse may continue. The curse doesn't apply to NBA PGs. I was right in '07-'08 when I was called an idiot for saying CP3 was the best PG in the league, and right when I was called an idiot for saying Rondo is a future All Star back in '08. I seem to remember you being the last person on the "Rondo is just as good as Rose" bandwagon too. When I said that he was. Rose is clearly the best PG in the league now, a little ahead of Paul. And Rondo/Deron would be 3 and 4 depending on the rest of the roster.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:56 am ]
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W_Z wrote: please...mr. espn, enough with the nick names. the guy's name is chris paul. do you call griffith RG3 too? You mean Griffin? No I don't follow him enough to even talk about him. But the CP3 nickname has been around for like half a decade by now...

Author:	W_Z [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:59 am ]
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yeah, that guy. i don't care how long the nickname has been around. it's lame. he's not a star wars character.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:02 am ]
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Q.Bovifs wrote: FavreFan wrote: Obviously Rose will deserve it more but all Lin has to do is stay moderately good and China will make sure he leads the NBA in voting. If Lin sustains something close to his level of play the past 6 game for NY for the forseeable future Rose might get screwed a few times. Let's wait until they meet head-to-head before we go speculating. Also, he's Taiwanese, not Chinese - let's no get all racist with it. He's Chinese and Taiwanese.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:07 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: When I said that he was. Rose is clearly the best PG in the league now, a little ahead of Paul. And Rondo/Deron would be 3 and 4 depending on the rest of the roster. Wrong. http://www.score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=700424#p700424

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:13 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: When I said that he was. Rose is clearly the best PG in the league now, a little ahead of Paul. And Rondo/Deron would be 3 and 4 depending on the rest of the roster. Wrong. http://www.score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=700424#p700424 That was less than halfway through his 3rd year and I said "I'm not sure Rose is better than Rondo". It hadn't been clear long enough at that point in my opinion. How rapidly Rose has been improving the past two seasons is pretty remarkable. He still doesn't have the complete game that Paul has but it's improved enough that along with his dominant scoring ability he has become the best PG in the league, but 13 months ago it wasn't as clear. Edit: Nevermind, I just realized that was less than halfway through his 2nd year. Him and Rondo were close at that point. Didn't Rondo average 20+ points and a triple double against the Bulls in the playoffs a few months after posting that? That was a terrible example for you to bring up.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:22 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: That was less than halfway through his 3rd year and I said "I'm not sure Rose is better than Rondo". It hadn't been clear long enough at that point in my opinion. So your opinion wasn't wrong because in your opinion it wasn't wrong at the time? Rose was better by then, and has proven that he is much better since then.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:25 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: That was less than halfway through his 3rd year and I said "I'm not sure Rose is better than Rondo". It hadn't been clear long enough at that point in my opinion. So your opinion wasn't wrong because in your opinion it wasn't wrong at the time? Rose was better by then, and has proven that he is much better since then. Look at my edit. That was a terrible example by you. If I say Rubio is better than Rondo right now that's a dumb statement to make. If Rubio improves exponentially and becomes clearly better in 2014 that doesn't make it any less of a dumb statement to make on February 15, 2012.

Author:	Bagels [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:27 am ]
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Prediction: Jeremy Lin will be a better pro than Evan Turner

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Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:39 am ]
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I found the thread I was looking for. http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=815190#p815190 FavreFan wouldn't even consider the possibility that Rose was better than Rondo after Rose's second season.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:47 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: I found the thread I was looking for. http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=815190#p815190 FavreFan wouldn't even consider the possibility that Rose was better than Rondo after Rose's second season. That's because he wasn't. Rose took a huge leap in his 3rd season. After two seasons he was a better scorer than Rondo, Rondo was a better passer, rebounder, and defender. Rose's vast improvement in the halfcourt and as a defender turned him into the best PG in the league. He wasn't there after two seasons. I did misremember the playoffs though in the above post though. Rondo destroyed the Bulls in Rose's rookie season, not his second season.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:52 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I found the thread I was looking for. http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=815190#p815190 FavreFan wouldn't even consider the possibility that Rose was better than Rondo after Rose's second season. That's because he wasn't. Rose took a huge leap in his 3rd season. After two seasons he was a better scorer than Rondo, Rondo was a better passer, rebounder, and defender. Rose's vast improvement in the halfcourt and as a defender turned him into the best PG in the league. He wasn't there after two seasons. I did misremember the playoffs though in the above post though. Rondo destroyed the Bulls in Rose's rookie season, not his second season. That's the best evidence I could find about you being the last on the "Rondo is better than Rose" bandwagon. I know you'll disagree, but I don't think that Rose went from significantly worse than Rajon Rondo to NBA MVP by working hard for a few months.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:58 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I found the thread I was looking for. http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=815190#p815190 FavreFan wouldn't even consider the possibility that Rose was better than Rondo after Rose's second season. That's because he wasn't. Rose took a huge leap in his 3rd season. After two seasons he was a better scorer than Rondo, Rondo was a better passer, rebounder, and defender. Rose's vast improvement in the halfcourt and as a defender turned him into the best PG in the league. He wasn't there after two seasons. I did misremember the playoffs though in the above post though. Rondo destroyed the Bulls in Rose's rookie season, not his second season. That's the best evidence I could find about you being the last on the "Rondo is better than Rose" bandwagon. I know you'll disagree, but I don't think that Rose went from significantly worse than Rajon Rondo to NBA MVP by working hard for a few months. Of course not, but you're doing your Rick thing of simplifying or misstating the other person's position. Going from one of the five worst coach's in the league to one of the five best helped him much more than you seem willing to acknowledge. I've noted the improvements in Rose's game and why I thought Rondo was better two years ago. You seem unwilling or unable to argue anything of substance against my position. Your replies have basically been "You're wrong"

Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:00 am ]
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I apologize. I'll stop doing my "Rick thing".

Author:	Douchebag [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:01 am ]
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Bagels wrote: Prediction: Jeremy Lin will be a better pro than Evan Turner No chance.

Author:	NearWessSideHussra [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:44 am ]
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Coach D'Antoni wrote: If Jeremy Lin can't be an All-Star because he's only played three good games, then how did Melo get in? https://twitter.com/#!/Coach_D_Antoni

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:52 am ]
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NearWessSideHussra wrote: Coach D'Antoni wrote: If Jeremy Lin can't be an All-Star because he's only played three good games, then how did Melo get in? https://twitter.com/#!/Coach_D_Antoni D'Antoni is an idiot. Probably not a good idea to take veiled shots at your franchise player in a misguided attempt to compliment your young PG.

Author:	Bagels [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:57 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: NearWessSideHussra wrote: Coach D'Antoni wrote: If Jeremy Lin can't be an All-Star because he's only played three good games, then how did Melo get in? https://twitter.com/#!/Coach_D_Antoni D'Antoni is an idiot. Probably not a good idea to take veiled shots at your franchise player in a misguided attempt to compliment your young PG. that's not the real D'Antoni, FF

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:59 am ]
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Bagels wrote: that's not the real D'Antoni, FF I'm an idiot.

Author:	spmack [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:08 am ]
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KC Johnson in Chicago Tribune wrote: Rose garnered 1,514,723 votes, the second-most in the East behind Howard and third-most overall. FavreFan, your premise is flawed. It's the top 2 players at their position. It doesn't matter if its shooting guard or point guard. Both Carmelo and LeBron play small forward, and they were voted in.