They'd have made the playoffs without trading for Nash.
There is a lot of crap in the West that ends up being teams 6-10.
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| Author: | Dewskie [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
Meh. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
Maybe now the Lakers will stop trying to trade Pau for 50 cents to the dollar. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
hiram wrote: The new Big 3: Nash, Kobe, Bynum Not really. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
conns7901 wrote: hiram wrote: The new Big 3: Nash, Kobe, Bynum Not really. That's the most overused phrase in the NBA now. Everybody has a big 3. It's just your 3 best guys. I actually heard someone refer to Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson, and Dion Waiters as a big 3. Nevermind that two of the three might not be able to play and sound like swimsuit models. Quite the annoying trend. I guess it's too hard to say "The Nash/Kobe/Pau/Bynum core could be a title contender with the right role players." |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
Quote: K.C Johnson @KCJHoop Nash turns down reported $11 million more from Raptors to go to Lakers. He's rare athlete you can believe when he says it's not about the $. Could of went to Miami for even less than the 3 year 25 mil deal he got from LAL. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
That's disingenuous of KC. You can say that about a 28 year old athlete. It doesn't apply as much to a ringless 38 year old athlete. I believe Karl Malone turned down more money from Boston or someone to chase a ring with the Lakers. Would KC like to extol the virtues of Karl Malone? |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
I'd like to think there are meatball fans in Toronto calling sports radio right now, saying he's a traitor to his country for spurning the Raptors... |
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| Author: | spanky [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
FavreFan wrote: That's disingenuous of KC. You can say that about a 28 year old athlete. It doesn't apply as much to a ringless 38 year old athlete. I believe Karl Malone turned down more money from Boston or someone to chase a ring with the Lakers. Would KC like to extol the virtues of Karl Malone? It's not disingenuous at all. It's clearly not about the money for Nash. If it was, he'd go to the highest bidder, even if it was Toronto, Sacramento, whatever....age doesn't matter. These guys are all young in the course of their lives. They've got decades left to spend their millions either way. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
spanky wrote: FavreFan wrote: That's disingenuous of KC. You can say that about a 28 year old athlete. It doesn't apply as much to a ringless 38 year old athlete. I believe Karl Malone turned down more money from Boston or someone to chase a ring with the Lakers. Would KC like to extol the virtues of Karl Malone? It's not disingenuous at all. It's clearly not about the money for Nash. If it was, he'd go to the highest bidder, even if it was Toronto, Sacramento, whatever....age doesn't matter. These guys are all young in the course of their lives. They've got decades left to spend their millions either way. Many old athletes take less money to try to win a ring. The use of the word rare makes that disingenuous. Or just plain stupid, but I'm trying to give KC a little credit here. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
spanky wrote: FavreFan wrote: That's disingenuous of KC. You can say that about a 28 year old athlete. It doesn't apply as much to a ringless 38 year old athlete. I believe Karl Malone turned down more money from Boston or someone to chase a ring with the Lakers. Would KC like to extol the virtues of Karl Malone? It's not disingenuous at all. It's clearly not about the money for Nash. If it was, he'd go to the highest bidder, even if it was Toronto, Sacramento, whatever....age doesn't matter. These guys are all young in the course of their lives. They've got decades left to spend their millions either way. Age matters a great deal. That's silly to say. What else can Nash do in his future to earn $25-36M over three years? He'll have a comfortable living, but this was his last big payday. That's why it's ok to say its not about money with him. It's just inaccurate to suggest that's a rare trait in 35+ old, ringless athletes. |
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| Author: | spanky [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
FavreFan wrote: spanky wrote: FavreFan wrote: That's disingenuous of KC. You can say that about a 28 year old athlete. It doesn't apply as much to a ringless 38 year old athlete. I believe Karl Malone turned down more money from Boston or someone to chase a ring with the Lakers. Would KC like to extol the virtues of Karl Malone? It's not disingenuous at all. It's clearly not about the money for Nash. If it was, he'd go to the highest bidder, even if it was Toronto, Sacramento, whatever....age doesn't matter. These guys are all young in the course of their lives. They've got decades left to spend their millions either way. Many old athletes take less money to try to win a ring. The use of the word rare makes that disingenuous. Or just plain stupid, but I'm trying to give KC a little credit here. Ah, I misunderstood. I didn't realize you were focusing on the word "rare". I agree then. There are many guys who go to league-minimum places for a chance at a ring. But usually those are 1-year deals. Nash is a little different in that regard. BTW, even though he's as old as Canadian dirt, the Lakers area better team with Nash than they would have been with Lamar Kardashian. No question about that, right? |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
theyre both damn near 40 years old. they aint doin shit |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
No question. The Lakers are dangerous now. Nash will have a greater impact on them than any other team. It'd be like KG going to Miami. Because of the huge weakness of that position on the team, an upgrade to above average looks like an upgrade to superstar. |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
@NotBillWalton By signing Steve Nash, LA is not only acquiing a PG, but they're also getting a head coach. Now the Lakers can finally run offensive plays! |
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| Author: | Makaveli [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
Those 4 draft picks seem like an awful high price to pay. I guess there is no chance of Howard coming there now. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
Makaveli wrote: Those 4 draft picks seem like an awful high price to pay. I guess there is no chance of Howard coming there now. What picks are they? If they all end up being 20+ then I disagree. That's a bargain to give Kobe one or maybe two more realistic shots at a ring. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
FavreFan wrote: Makaveli wrote: Those 4 draft picks seem like an awful high price to pay. I guess there is no chance of Howard coming there now. What picks are they? If they all end up being 20+ then I disagree. That's a bargain to give Kobe one or maybe two more realistic shots at a ring. its definitely an upgrade but i'm not sold they still won't be able to defend at PG and how much will Kobe be willing to let Nash run the show i'm agree with Nas its a high price to pay...i guess you have to do it with Kobe's age but you're really mortgaging the future Lakers are on the downswing , i wouldn't be so sure that they'll all be 20+ picks |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
I don't think they are mortgaging the future at all. When's the last late pick the Lakers used on a starter? Giving up on the Javaris Crittenton, Luke Walton, and Brian Cook's of the world is easily worth getting Nash and giving Kobe a chance for a ring down the stretch. Now if Kobe wants to take his ball and go home, it's on him. Nash is perfect for this team. Russell Westbrook is the most athletic guy in the league according to some and he can't play D to save his life but the Thunder can hide him. The Lakers can too with Pau and Bynum. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
lipidquadcab wrote: I'd like to think there are meatball fans in Toronto calling sports radio right now, saying he's a traitor to his country for spurning the Raptors... They're too polite to do that. This isn't Vancouver you're talking aboot. |
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| Author: | Makaveli [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
The Lakers need Nash to learn how to play defense and for him and Kobe to find the fountain of youth. They'll beat OKC if they can do that. Now they definitely need shooters. |
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| Author: | spanky [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
Makaveli wrote: Now they definitely need shooters. The good part (for them) is that these are usually some of the easiest/cheapest players to find. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
Makaveli wrote: The Lakers need Nash to learn how to play defense Thats not even teaching an old dog a new trick. Thats like teaching an old dog Portugese. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
Makaveli wrote: The Lakers need Nash to learn how to play defense and for him and Kobe to find the fountain of youth. They'll beat OKC if they can do that. Now they definitely need shooters. Is Gilbert Arenas available? Oh wait, you don't mean that kind of shooter... |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
FavreFan wrote: I don't think they are mortgaging the future at all. When's the last late pick the Lakers used on a starter? Giving up on the Javaris Crittenton, Luke Walton, and Brian Cook's of the world is easily worth getting Nash and giving Kobe a chance for a ring down the stretch. Now if Kobe wants to take his ball and go home, it's on him. Nash is perfect for this team. Russell Westbrook is the most athletic guy in the league according to some and he can't play D to save his life but the Thunder can hide him. The Lakers can too with Pau and Bynum. again, you're assuming the Lakers are going to be a ~top 8 team and will have a pick in the 20's. i'm not so sure . maybe this year , sure, but what about 2 years from now ? and i'm not saying it's a bad move or anything, clearly it's an upgrade and you have to take the risk if you're the lakers, just don't think it makes them better than the Thunder . the spurs, sure |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
spanky wrote: Makaveli wrote: Now they definitely need shooters. The good part (for them) is that these are usually some of the easiest/cheapest players to find. Korver |
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| Author: | spanky [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
Bagels wrote: spanky wrote: Makaveli wrote: Now they definitely need shooters. The good part (for them) is that these are usually some of the easiest/cheapest players to find. Korver Bibgo. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
I think unless they have major injuries they are a lock for the playoffs this year and next. I thought people who would think otherwise would have realized the err of their ways this season. The Lakers have made the playoffs, what?, like 62 out of 67 seasons or something like that? As with any trade, anything could happen. But you HAVE to do this deal if you're LA. |
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| Author: | spanky [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
They'd have made the playoffs without trading for Nash. There is a lot of crap in the West that ends up being teams 6-10.
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
spanky wrote: Makaveli wrote: Now they definitely need shooters. The good part (for them) is that these are usually some of the easiest/cheapest players to find. I think thats a yes and no. They are the easiest to find, but usually they are bargain basement guys that work out. Bagels pointed out Korver, but in general paying a shooter who cant do anything else is usually a bad idea. From what Ive seen, shooters are similar to relief pitchers in baseball. They can be found anywhere, but once they are found they are often overpaid, and its just as easy to strike out on a prospective one as it is to hit on one. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nash to Lakers |
FavreFan wrote: I think unless they have major injuries they are a lock for the playoffs this year and next. I thought people who would think otherwise would have realized the err of their ways this season. The Lakers have made the playoffs, what?, like 62 out of 67 seasons or something like that? As with any trade, anything could happen. But you HAVE to do this deal if you're LA. you mean major injuries like Bynum missing ~20 games last year ? Kobe and Nash belong in a retirement home just saying it's not as far fetched as you're making it out to be |
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