Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports
Sources: Magic, Nets and Cavaliers near completion of Dwight Howard trade. Deal will include 11 players, cash and multiple draft picks.


Never heard of this JNR guy but...

I can't imagine he'd be very happy in Cleveland.

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Dwight Howard Rumors: Sunday
July 8 at 11:02pm CST By Michael Pina
11:02pm: The Magic, Nets and Cavs are in "serious talks" about a deal involving Dwight Howard and others, reports Alex Kennedy of HoopsWorld, who said Magic executives will meet Monday morning to determine if the deal is the right one, and an agreement could come sometime Monday (Twitter links). The Magic will complete "one last sweep" around the league before deciding whether to pull the trigger on the 11-player trade, says Jarrod Rudolph of RealGM.com (Twitter links). A key to the deal could be the willingness of the Cavs to take Marshon Brooks from the Nets, because the Magic isn't interested in the swingman, report Chris Broussard and Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com.

9:58pm: The Sixers are also a possibility to acquire Humphries as part of a three-team that would send Howard to the Nets, Alex Kennedy of HoopsWorld notes via Twitter. In an email to Tom Moore of PhillyBurbs.com, Sixers president Rod Thorn indicated a move may in the works, but declined to give details.

The Nets will somehow only have these 3 players on their roster due to salary cap insanity.

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If this happens, this is a prime example of how the NBA is going to eat itself.

A few teams that are loaded with huge stars with bloated contracts.........a few other teams that are in markets that will be decent no matter what......and 20+ cities that are stuck with rosters full of crap that have no chance.


All driven by guys that are thrust into positions of power far too early in life due to crazy eligibility rules.


4 pages, minimum.

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Care to wager if they improve or regress next year?

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Fine, you can include the push as well. Still wanna take that bet?

Besides, a small town that has absolutely nothing else going for it would fall into the "a few other markets that will be decent no matter what" category that I listed before.

The NBA has a problem brewing here. Hard not to argue that.

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I think the star-hoarding issue is a real problem, but it's not like other teams that don't comply by that system can't put up a fight. If Rose hadn't torn his labia and fucked his season away the Bulls would still be in the conversation for the east, Ray Allen be damned. The Pacers are a scrappy bunch of jerkoffs. Shit, even the Clippers and Timberwolves made some in the offseason to make things interesting, at least on paper.

This shit looks worse than it really is, at least right now.

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This:

...is a bad mix with this:

Bad for business.


Remember when the NFL did things like this? No? Me either. A team in the smallest market of any team in any league is good year after year after.......wait, what state are you supposedly from KS?

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Spanky I'll take that bet. OKC goes to the Finals next year I win, they don't and you win. If any member of their starting 5(replace their starting SG with Harden to make it fair) gets injured the bet is void.

What's the wager?

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SI.com says Bynum won't sign an extension in Orlando if he is traded there.

http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/09/andre ... =nba_t2_a4

What is Cavs owner Dan Gilbert's motivation in helping the Nets get Dwight Howard. I'm wondering if he feels that if the Nets get Howard that would throw an obstacle into Labron winning another title.

Isn't Gilbert the same guy that wrote a letter to David Stern railing against the Hornets trading CP3 to the Lakers saying the trade is "unfair". I guess the Nets becoming a "super team" if now fair.

After this trade, The Orlando Magic will become the Pittsburgh Pirates of the NBA.

We should go back to the days of no free agency.

Players should have no say so in where they go.

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I'm surprised the NBA hasn't forced him to be traded to New Orleans.

Not very libertarian thoughts. Ron Paul would not approve.

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Agreed.

The only logical plan for a large majority of NBA teams is to lose so many games that you get a chance at a top 3 pick and then hope that they become a future hall of famer. Even then, there is a good chance the player leaves and wins a title somewhere else.

Of course OKC and San Antonio can compete, when they get two of the greatest players of all time and then fill in the other holes.

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aside from the '04 Pistons and '08 Celtics that's how every team wins a title.

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The NBA should consist of different drafts for different levels.

First, the amateur player draft (college players) should have the first round be only for the teams that did not make the playoffs. The second and third rounds should be done by the D-League teams.

Second, the pro/semi-pro draft (Europe and D-League) should consist of two rounds for every team in the league.

I think this will make things better two-fold:

1) Will make the bad teams better faster by getting the best amateur and pro prospects in one draft while limiting the players the better teams can get.

2) Will allow less talented amateurs develop in the D-League for a year or two which will help them sustain an NBA career while also making the D-League something worth watching.

Just to clarify, I meant drafted and not signed. The Pacers can't even consider getting a top level free agent. They'd have to find a way to draft Jabari Parker and hope he is really the next Lebron. Otherwise, no title for them. They've built a decent enough team but won't ever approach what the Heat did with literally three guys deciding that Miami was an acceptable destination.

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The Pistons went to 7 straight eastern finals without a player like LeBron and with a core similar to Indiana's current one. They even won a title. This just happened this past decade. It can be done, it just requires being smart, a quality that's very short in supply in NBA front offices. It requires not tying down your cap space to mediocre players. Many teams think like you do, panic, then give someone like Asik almost $30 million. That's why many mid market teams are hamstrung right now.

I'm not overly concerned about the health of the NBA. They recovered from a lockout and the Chris Paul PR nightmare at the beginning of the season. People always complain about the lack of parity going back 30 years, but we've had 5 different champs in the last 6 seasons and OKC will probably make it 6 of 7 next season.

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You are using exceptions to try and prove the rule. Yes, the Pistons worked out very well for them, but we really haven't seen a team like that since and didn't see one for a long time beforehand. The Pistons may be the only team to win a title in decades that didn't have a hall of famer. If I'm a GM, I'm supposed to try and emulate those Pistons?

Otherwise, it's "be a big market team or be an appealing city like Miami" or "draft a future hall of famer". That describes virtually every NBA champ since I've been following the game, besides that one Pistons team. Good luck Pacers trying to overcome those odds.

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Jordan skewed alot of that though. If Jordan isn't Jordan and he's Clyde Drexler instead we probably see Utah/Indiana/Phoenix with titles from the 90's. Yes you have to have a HOF player, and if you are a small market you probably have to draft him. But after you get that guy the rest isn't hard. Dont overpay role players, and stay flexible with your cap. I don't think drafting a HOF player is as rare as you imply it is. Seems like there's 1-2 in every draft. If you are terrible for 2-3 years you have a great chance at snagging one.

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Agreed, which is why if you are all but a few teams your best option to ever win a title is to be worried more about getting Jabari Parker than you are about getting wins.

There are hall of fame players available in most drafts, but they are likely going in the first few picks. It's just tough for the GM of the Jazz to look at what is turning teams truly elite in the NBA and then look at his roster and figure out how he can do that.

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I agree, it's definitely a lot harder for a small market team. But that problem is exponentially worse in Major League Baseball(There's a good chance the Kansas City Royals never win a world series again), and MLB is not eating itself or whatever phrase spanky used originally. So why would someone think that would happen to the NBA?

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The White Sox are the "worst organization in baseball" and are in first place. It's pretty safe to say that any team can be good if they can be.

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Trade talks called off.

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WOW! That's all I gotta say.

The Nets blackmailed him.

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I don't know what he's really thinking right now...The situation with the Magic is beyond repair, and many feel Dwight Howard was the REAL reason why head coach Stan Van Gundy got fired in Orlando. The Bulls supposedly have the kind of offer the Magic would actually want in return, and Howard wants nothing to do with Chicago. He also wants nothing to do with the Lakers, Rockets or other teams. Now, even the Nets, complete with a brand, spanking new arena called the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, new logos, uniforms, etc., don't want the guy?

I don't know if he wants to be "THE MAN", play for an NBA title contender which Brooklyn isn't right now, or what. To me, I'm starting to wonder if Howard is basketballspeak for Barry Sanders and just walks away from the game. This is ridiculous what's happening!

Why wouldnt any team go after him as an "all-in" rent-a-player for 2012-2013. I wouldn't mind the Bulls making a push and making a run when Derrick is back near the playoffs.

Send the Magic Deng, Noah, Charlotte pick, and the euro guy they drafted a year or two ago that is still overseas, plus extra picks

Bulls get Hedo and Howard.

It gives the Bulls flexibility in the future once Howard is off the books, and it gives the Magic some players and picks.

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I think the Bulls would like to make a move along those lines, but I don't think Howard has budged one bit on Chicago or the L.A. Lakers for that matter. That's the problem.