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Author:  Nas [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:12 pm ]
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I'm thinking Spurs and Pacers. Duncan gets his last title and retires.

Author:  conns7901 [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:27 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
I'm thinking Spurs and Pacers. Duncan gets his last title and retires.


David Stern would go out there Vince McMahon style himself before ever letting the refs to allow this.

Author:  Nas [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:33 pm ]
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The Spurs played the Nets and the Pistons recently IIRC. It was give mid and small market teams hope.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:44 pm ]
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I agree the Spurs will win the title, but I'd be shocked if Indy beats Miami.

Author:  Nas [ Mon May 20, 2013 8:04 pm ]
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Hopefully the West injury isn't serious. The Pacers hate the Heat and play them tough. Their bigs will cause a lot of problems for the Heat. If Paul George has truly arrived they will win in 6.

Author:  Colonel Angus [ Mon May 20, 2013 8:22 pm ]
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Pat Hughes wrote:
Paul George has a man's first name & a man's last name.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Mon May 20, 2013 11:12 pm ]
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50% of Bill Hall's name is the letter L.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon May 20, 2013 11:15 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Hopefully the West injury isn't serious. The Pacers hate the Heat and play them tough. Their bigs will cause a lot of problems for the Heat. If Paul George has truly arrived they will win in 6.

The Bulls hate the Heat and play them tough too. I think it's fairly obvious that George has indeed arrived, but there's still not enough talent there to beat Miami. I would love to be wrong about this.

Author:  Colonel Angus [ Tue May 21, 2013 5:47 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
50% of Bill Hall's name is the letter L.

Ryne Sandberg backwards is Grebdnas Enyr.

Author:  The Original Kid Cairo [ Tue May 21, 2013 5:51 pm ]
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I hope this doesn't make me a bad NBA fan, but I just couldn't watch the Pacers in the Finals.

Author:  Douchebag [ Tue May 21, 2013 5:58 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
I hope this doesn't make me a bad NBA fan, but I just couldn't watch the Pacers in the Finals.

Are you kidding me?

Author:  The Original Kid Cairo [ Tue May 21, 2013 5:59 pm ]
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I didn't watch either of the Nets Finals appearances until I YouTubed them years later. Some teams I just have to draw the line with.

Author:  Colonel Angus [ Tue May 21, 2013 6:21 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
I didn't watch either of the Nets Finals appearances until I YouTubed them years later. Some teams I just have to draw the line with.

This would make an interesting topic. "What teams wouldn't you watch in a Championship?"

Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Wed May 22, 2013 12:53 am ]
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Colonel Angus wrote:
Pat Hughes wrote:
Paul George has a man's first name & a man's last name.


So does this guy:

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Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Wed May 22, 2013 1:02 am ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
I hope this doesn't make me a bad NBA fan, but I just couldn't watch the Pacers in the Finals.


+1
The string-theory, multi-verse Pacers likely wouldn't bother to tune in to watch either.

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Author:  Nas [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:07 pm ]
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Half way there. Spurs better pray Indiana wins because the Heat will destroy them. I'm willing to make a few friendly wagers if that match up happens.

Author:  SHARK [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:12 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Half way there. Spurs better pray Indiana wins because the Heat will destroy them. I'm willing to make a few friendly wagers if that match up happens.

This will be San Antonio's first trip to the NBA Finals since they schooled LeBron James and the Cavaliers in 2007. Not even constant sightings of Tony Parker's ex-wife Eva Longoria at courtside could get viewers to tune in for the lowest rated NBA Finals ever.

With that in mind, I was surprised the Grizzlies didn't put up more of a fight vs. the Spurs in the West Finals. I wouldn't be shocked if San Antonio wins 1 more NBA Championship with this group.

Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue May 28, 2013 4:28 pm ]
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Listen to an interesting fact on around the horn....since 1999 either the Spurs, Lakers ,or Heat have been in the Finals....This means something , what I don't know :D

Author:  veganfan21 [ Tue May 28, 2013 4:32 pm ]
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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Listen to an interesting fact on around the horn....since 1999 either the Spurs, Lakers ,or Heat have been in the Finals....This means something , what I don't know :D


Outside of the Spurs, the ability to attract top talent via free agency or trades is what probably connects Miami and LA. NY should belong in that group as well in terms of attracting talent, but they've suffered from some really poor management.

Author:  SHARK [ Wed May 29, 2013 12:55 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Listen to an interesting fact on around the horn....since 1999 either the Spurs, Lakers ,or Heat have been in the Finals....This means something , what I don't know :D


Outside of the Spurs, the ability to attract top talent via free agency or trades is what probably connects Miami and LA. NY should belong in that group as well in terms of attracting talent, but they've suffered from some really poor management.

In recent years, Knicks' management has wasted millions on bad contracts. Right now, the Amare Stoudemire contract doesn't look so smart.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed May 29, 2013 1:01 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
In recent years, Knicks' management has wasted millions on bad contracts. Right now, the Amare Stoudemire contract doesn't look so smart.


It will never look smart. He made his name on jaw-dropping athleticism. Doesn't look like he worked on his skills enough to survive impending father time. He's dead weight.

Author:  SHARK [ Wed May 29, 2013 1:05 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
SHARK wrote:
In recent years, Knicks' management has wasted millions on bad contracts. Right now, the Amare Stoudemire contract doesn't look so smart.


It will never look smart. He made his name on jaw-dropping athleticism. Doesn't look like he worked on his skills enough to survive impending father time. He's dead weight.

It's also a bad contract, too. Hard to believe, a former Chicagoan actually helped screw up the Knicks' as BOTH a head coach and a front office executive. You may have heard of him...Isiah Thomas. :oops: :oops:

Author:  Douchebag [ Wed May 29, 2013 1:10 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
[Hard to believe, a former Chicagoan actually helped screw up the Knicks' as BOTH a head coach and a front office executive. You may have heard of him...Isiah Thomas. :oops: :oops:

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Author:  SHARK [ Wed May 29, 2013 1:12 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
SHARK wrote:
[Hard to believe, a former Chicagoan actually helped screw up the Knicks' as BOTH a head coach and a front office executive. You may have heard of him...Isiah Thomas. :oops: :oops:

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Not that Isiah! This Isiah played his high school basketball at Collins H.S. here, helped Indiana win the 1981 NCAA Championship and was part of the Detroit Pistons' "Bad Boys" that wouldn't shake the Bulls' hands in the 1991 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed May 29, 2013 1:18 pm ]
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Too bad Chicago doesn't have NY's drawing power. A in-his-prime Marbury and Carmelo Anthony forced trades to NY, and many UFAs are always intrigued by NY when the team has cap space. That lack of drawing power already screwed the Bulls over in 2000 and 2010, and probably will do so again the in the near future. The biggest loser will probably be Derrick Rose.

Author:  SHARK [ Wed May 29, 2013 1:23 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
Too bad Chicago doesn't have NY's drawing power. A in-his-prime Marbury and Carmelo Anthony forced trades to NY, and many UFAs are always intrigued by NY when the team has cap space. That lack of drawing power already screwed the Bulls over in 2000 and 2010, and probably will do so again the in the near future. The biggest loser will probably be Derrick Rose.

Veganfan, that's a valid point. The Bulls had a lot of salary cap room in the above years, but got very little to show for it. They've had a lot of trouble attracting premium free agents since long before Derrick Martell Rose's arrival.

Unfortunately for the Bulls, the guys who did sign here haven't been worth nearly the $$$$ the team paid for them. Ben Wallace? Richard "Rip" Hamilton? Carlos Boozer? Ron Mercer? The Bulls have been so bad in free agency since Michael Jordan retired after the 1998 lockout, there have also been guys that used the Bulls as leverage to stay where they're at.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed May 29, 2013 3:45 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
Too bad Chicago doesn't have NY's drawing power. A in-his-prime Marbury and Carmelo Anthony forced trades to NY, and many UFAs are always intrigued by NY when the team has cap space. That lack of drawing power already screwed the Bulls over in 2000 and 2010, and probably will do so again the in the near future. The biggest loser will probably be Derrick Rose.

:lol:

It's funny picturing about 27 of the 30 fanbases in the league reading this and rolling their eyes. I'm sure teams like Indiana and Detroit feel really bad for us Bulls fans. It's also funny because the Knicks have been a hot mess this entire past decade plus. Their "drawing power" obviously was not very beneficial.

I get tired of hearing about this overhyped argument that the Bulls can't attract anybody. When is the last big time FA that Boston attracted? Vin Baker? :lol:

The Bulls have an excellent coach and management team in place, and a very good core to build around. They will be title contenders for the foreseeable future, while NY will be stuck in the same spot, with their ceiling being about what it was this year.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed May 29, 2013 3:57 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
:lol:

It's funny picturing about 27 of the 30 fanbases in the league reading this and rolling their eyes. I'm sure teams like Indiana and Detroit feel really bad for us Bulls fans. It's also funny because the Knicks have been a hot mess this entire past decade plus. Their "drawing power" obviously was not very beneficial.

I get tired of hearing about this overhyped argument that the Bulls can't attract anybody. When is the last big time FA that Boston attracted? Vin Baker? :lol:

The Bulls have an excellent coach and management team in place, and a very good core to build around. They will be title contenders for the foreseeable future, while NY will be stuck in the same spot, with their ceiling being about what it was this year.


I'm somewhat confused here. I did acknowledge that the Knicks have sucked for the better part of last decade, despite their considerable drawing power (as evidenced by objective indicators like revenue and franchise worth, and subjective indicators like the city's rep. as the cultural capital of the country, and NYC subculture)

I totally agree about the Bulls having a good coach, but not sold yet on management. Do you really think they're title contenders as currently constituted?

The Bulls have a star, a star coach, and some nice young pieces. My whole argument about "drawing power" revolved around the Bulls need, with which I think you'd agree, for a second "star." Teams like NY, despite shoddy performance and management, seem to attract the stars we're talking about, which is why I think the lack of drawing power for Chicago will force them to find other ways to obtain the type of player they need to take on the Heat, Spurs, and Thunder.

And if you're tired about the argument that the Bulls can't attract anyone, how did you feel in 2000 and 2010 when the Bulls failed to sign Duncan, McGrady, Wade, James, Hill, and/or Bosh, despite creating cap space to sign those specific players?

Author:  SHARK [ Wed May 29, 2013 4:02 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
:lol:

It's funny picturing about 27 of the 30 fanbases in the league reading this and rolling their eyes. I'm sure teams like Indiana and Detroit feel really bad for us Bulls fans. It's also funny because the Knicks have been a hot mess this entire past decade plus. Their "drawing power" obviously was not very beneficial.

I get tired of hearing about this overhyped argument that the Bulls can't attract anybody. When is the last big time FA that Boston attracted? Vin Baker? :lol:

The Bulls have an excellent coach and management team in place, and a very good core to build around. They will be title contenders for the foreseeable future, while NY will be stuck in the same spot, with their ceiling being about what it was this year.


I'm somewhat confused here. I did acknowledge that the Knicks have sucked for the better part of last decade, despite their considerable drawing power (as evidenced by objective indicators like revenue and franchise worth, and subjective indicators like the city's rep. as the cultural capital of the country, and NYC subculture)

I totally agree about the Bulls having a good coach, but not sold yet on management. Do you really think they're title contenders as currently constituted?

The Bulls have a star, a star coach, and some nice young pieces. My whole argument about "drawing power" revolved around the Bulls need, with which I think you'd agree, for a second "star." Teams like NY, despite shoddy performance and management, seem to attract the stars we're talking about, which is why I think the lack of drawing power for Chicago will force them to find other ways to obtain the type of player they need to take on the Heat, Spurs, and Thunder.

And if you're tired about the argument that the Bulls can't attract anyone, how did you feel in 2000 and 2010 when the Bulls failed to sign Duncan, McGrady, Wade, James, Hill, and/or Bosh, despite creating cap space to sign those specific players?

Let's also not forget who was in the GM's chair, too. Jerry Krause was considered by some as a bit abrasive and not the easiest guy to deal with. While John Paxson & Gar Forman have done much better building the Bulls via the draft, they seem to be reluctant dealing their players. Like Krause before them, the Bulls have really had trouble signing premium FAs.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed May 29, 2013 4:12 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
:lol:

It's funny picturing about 27 of the 30 fanbases in the league reading this and rolling their eyes. I'm sure teams like Indiana and Detroit feel really bad for us Bulls fans. It's also funny because the Knicks have been a hot mess this entire past decade plus. Their "drawing power" obviously was not very beneficial.

I get tired of hearing about this overhyped argument that the Bulls can't attract anybody. When is the last big time FA that Boston attracted? Vin Baker? :lol:

The Bulls have an excellent coach and management team in place, and a very good core to build around. They will be title contenders for the foreseeable future, while NY will be stuck in the same spot, with their ceiling being about what it was this year.


I'm somewhat confused here. I did acknowledge that the Knicks have sucked for the better part of last decade, despite their considerable drawing power (as evidenced by objective indicators like revenue and franchise worth, and subjective indicators like the city's rep. as the cultural capital of the country, and NYC subculture)

I totally agree about the Bulls having a good coach, but not sold yet on management. Do you really think they're title contenders as currently constituted?

The Bulls have a star, a star coach, and some nice young pieces. My whole argument about "drawing power" revolved around the Bulls need, with which I think you'd agree, for a second "star." Teams like NY, despite shoddy performance and management, seem to attract the stars we're talking about, which is why I think the lack of drawing power for Chicago will force them to find other ways to obtain the type of player they need to take on the Heat, Spurs, and Thunder.

And if you're tired about the argument that the Bulls can't attract anyone, how did you feel in 2000 and 2010 when the Bulls failed to sign Duncan, McGrady, Wade, James, Hill, and/or Bosh, despite creating cap space to sign those specific players?

Yes I think the Bulls are clearly title contenders if healthy. I don't think they need a second star, especially not one like Marbury or Melo. Those guys never win anything for a reason.

You don't really need drawing power if you have good management. The Bulls have put together a team that is almost indisputably a top 4 team when healthy, as evidenced by the best record in the league two years in a row(the best record argument that you kept using this postseason to suggest the Thunder would beat the Spurs and Grizzlies if healthy.) So you seem to agree that best record is equivalent to being a contender. The Bulls are right there, and don't need to add or change much. There is no Super Team in the league right now like 90's Bulls or 2000ish Lakers.

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