He seemed to be headed that way to me as well.

All I really wanted to say though, is that Grant Hill played another 8 years after the #1 draft pick from his draft class - Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson last played.

Looking back, Jason Kidd probably should've went #1. That 1994 draft class was pretty bad.

I'm not sure if I'm too drinky or not, but I could swear that the 1994 NBA Lottery happened on the same night as the OJ Bronco chase. I'm nearly 100% that I'm correct on that as I went crazy watching the Bucks land the #1 pick as the draft was shown split screen with the chase.

One of the best nights of TV of all time.

or I'm drunk.

I wonder if it kind of sucks to be Grant Hill. He just seems like such a darn nice guy. A true gentleman. I couldn't do it. I kind of have an inordinate need to be a complete asshole from time to time.

Hill would not have been better than Pippen IMO. From an offensive standpoint I think he would have been, but when you look at the whole picture I think Pippen would have been the better player.

Hill would not have been better than Pippen IMO. From an offensive standpoint I think he would have been, but when you look at the whole picture I think Pippen would have been the better player.

Scottie was putting up similar numbers playing along side MJ. Obviously Hill never played with someone that good and defensively there is no comparison. Scottie is arguably the best perimeter defender in the history of the league and a top 5-10 defender of all time.

Even though Pippen was the superior defender, I'd say Hill was the better player. He could do more, and he could be your best player while Pippen was clearly an outstanding "supporting" player.

I think you are missing the bigger point. Pippen put up similar numbers along side of MJ. Hill put them up without a superstar along side.

I don't remember much of Hill during the early to mid 90s, but wasn't he regarded as the better ball handler of the two? If you ignore for a moment Pippen having to play with MJ, wouldn't Hill's skills place him above Pippen? When Pip played w/o MJ for those two years in the 90s, he topped out at 22 per game. Hill averaged nearly 26 before he even got to what is arguably the prime age for a basketball player: 28-32.

Outside of numbers, does anyone think Pippen could be the "man" when he was in his prime? My take is that, while the assists and rebound numbers are somewhat similar, Hill's skill set and ability made him a better candidate for a leading man.

You're placing too much weight on a couple PPG. Pippen's stat lines are superior to Hill's with and without MJ. Then there were the things he did defensively that didn't show up on a stat sheet along with his versatility.

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Jason Kidd retired today.

He & Grant Hill future Basketball Hall of Famers? Discuss.

He & Grant Hill future Basketball Hall of Famers? Discuss.

Hill will get in because of what he did in college. Kidd will get in because of what he did in the NBA.

That isn't quite HoF worthy though. I'm pretty sure Penny has similar numbers. Let's remember Dominique was not a first ballot guy. Let's also remember Hill never made it past the 2nd round.

Yup. I didn't mean to imply that those achievements alone make him HOF worthy, just that they form part of the total package.

Agreed. I'm still not sure why the NBA wouldn't get their own HoF.

He & Grant Hill future Basketball Hall of Famers? Discuss.