Nas wrote:
I thought this thread was going to be about how Wilt got his record started.
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| Author: | Powerhouse233 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Wilt Chamberlain in college |
just came across this video of Wilt at Kansas University. This video gives you an idea of just how gifted Wilt was. He'd be a monster in an era. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JuK2dVky0 |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Maybe best ever. I think MJ cuz that's what I saw but all those Russell people can GTFO. |
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| Author: | Powerhouse233 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
pittmike wrote: Maybe best ever. I think MJ cuz that's what I saw but all those Russell people can GTFO. Agreed. Russell was a phenomenal athlete but Chamberlain was truly a force of nature. Chamberlain also didn't have the luxury of being surrounded by hall of fame talent (though he was on some great teams) and the same coach for his entire career. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
JORR will comment once he cleans himself off. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Powerhouse233 wrote: just came across this video of Wilt at Kansas University. This video gives you an idea of just how gifted Wilt was. He'd be a monster in an era. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JuK2dVky0 he had no moves, he put the ball on the floor, his footwork was terrible, he lacked strength. Could he have developed all that if he played in 2000? Probably But if I played 57 Wilt v 97 Shaq, SHaq just destroys the guy. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
bigfan wrote: Powerhouse233 wrote: just came across this video of Wilt at Kansas University. This video gives you an idea of just how gifted Wilt was. He'd be a monster in an era. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JuK2dVky0 he had no moves, he put the ball on the floor, his footwork was terrible, he lacked strength. Could he have developed all that if he played in 2000? Probably But if I played 57 Wilt v 97 Shaq, SHaq just destroys the guy. Agreed. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i8mlFGwmO4 Haters gonna hate |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
And here s #2 GOAT center http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM6xCirDOKs |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Love me some shack but tell your story walking he isn't even the best Laker let alone # three GOAT. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
bigfan wrote: Powerhouse233 wrote: just came across this video of Wilt at Kansas University. This video gives you an idea of just how gifted Wilt was. He'd be a monster in an era. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JuK2dVky0 he had no moves, he put the ball on the floor, his footwork was terrible, he lacked strength. Could he have developed all that if he played in 2000? Probably But if I played 57 Wilt v 97 Shaq, SHaq just destroys the guy. Other than strength ....they had the same skills |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
No, they had the same ABILITY, not SKILL. Shaqs moves in the post are light years head of Chamberlin. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
bigfan wrote: No, they had the same ABILITY, not SKILL. Shaqs moves in the post are light years head of Chamberlin. Did you bother to watch Shaq's first 6 years? Please. This is why generational stuff is a pita. Don't you think today Wilt would be taking any center to frickin school as he gained same college/early pro experience as the others? In that vein don't you think MJ would have found a way to put it on James? |
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| Author: | Powerhouse233 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
bigfan wrote: Powerhouse233 wrote: just came across this video of Wilt at Kansas University. This video gives you an idea of just how gifted Wilt was. He'd be a monster in an era. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JuK2dVky0 he had no moves, he put the ball on the floor, his footwork was terrible, he lacked strength. Could he have developed all that if he played in 2000? Probably But if I played 57 Wilt v 97 Shaq, SHaq just destroys the guy. Lacked strength? Please tell me you're joking. There are dozens upon dozens of people, Chamberlain's peers, who marveled at his power. He was by far the strongest person in basketball during his time. Even when he was lean in college he was still very powerful. Once he got to the NBA he filled out big time and become even more powerful. I don't know why you are comparing 57' Wilt to 97' Shaq'. Wilt in 57' was only 21 and still in college, Shaq in 97' was 25' and already in his 5th NBA season. A comparison of 57' Wilt to 93' Shaq would be much more valid. Both the same age, both very powerful despite not being filled out completely, both a bit raw offensively (especially compared to what the would become in following seasons). Also, obviously 57' Wilt was not at his peak, not even close. Chamberlain during the 60's could not be stopped and Shaq would not be able to stop him either. |
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| Author: | Powerhouse233 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
bigfan wrote: No, they had the same ABILITY, not SKILL. Shaqs moves in the post are light years head of Chamberlin. Not even close. Again, you are basing this off of Chamberlain's college years where he was basically just a freak athlete with a good fadeaway. Shaq was raw as hell in college and his first few years in the NBA as well. Chamberlain at his peak from 62'-67' would have dominate a 21 year old Shaquille O'neal. |
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| Author: | Powerhouse233 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: bigfan wrote: Powerhouse233 wrote: just came across this video of Wilt at Kansas University. This video gives you an idea of just how gifted Wilt was. He'd be a monster in an era. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JuK2dVky0 he had no moves, he put the ball on the floor, his footwork was terrible, he lacked strength. Could he have developed all that if he played in 2000? Probably But if I played 57 Wilt v 97 Shaq, SHaq just destroys the guy. Other than strength ....they had the same skills Wilt had similar strength to Shaq. He abused his competition with brute strength just the same. By his Lakers years he was playing at about 315 lbs. |
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| Author: | Powerhouse233 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STXbuXGPdoY Numerous examples of Chamberlain's incredible strength http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwvdsi6gLl8 In this video you can see just how imposing Chamberlain was during his NBA career. As far as skill goes Wilt had just as much as Shaq. Shaq mainly used just a jump hook, sometimes he would use a drop step as well. When Wilt got to the NBA he had a terrific fallaway, an excellent hook shot, and a finger roll as well. Just like Shaq he could just overwhelm people with his strength as well. |
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| Author: | Powerhouse233 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU43dTuMuig Here is Wilt Chamberlain 20 years into retirement shaking hands with a rookie Shaq |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Shaq had to learn moves inside and better skills because he played against guys his size that could play some defense. No reason for Wilt to learn how to make the same moves for most of his career. Plus what % of these blocks are goaltending? 905? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwvdsi6gLl8 |
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| Author: | JORR [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
bigfan wrote: Shaq had to learn moves inside and better skills because he played against guys his size that could play some defense. No reason for Wilt to learn how to make the same moves for most of his career. I don't think I'd say that's true. And to me a good case can be made for Shaq as the greatest player ever. Unfortunately he ate his way out of being considered that way by most people, plus he played in a time when centers were denigrated as being "just big". The fan in his era had no interest in efficiency, he just wanted to see someone fly. But Wilt probably had to take on more accomplished big men in his career than Shaq did. |
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| Author: | newper [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: bigfan wrote: Shaq had to learn moves inside and better skills because he played against guys his size that could play some defense. No reason for Wilt to learn how to make the same moves for most of his career. I don't think I'd say that's true. And to me a good case can be made for Shaq as the greatest player ever. Unfortunately he ate his way out of being considered that way by most people, plus he played in a time when centers were denigrated as being "just big". The fan in his era had no interest in efficiency, he just wanted to see someone fly. But Wilt probably had to take on more accomplished big men in his career than Shaq did. The interesting thing with the NBA is Shaq might be the last of the true feared centers in the league. With the 3pt line and to some extent the hack-a-shaq technique employed against big guys, the NBA is definitely moving from a post first game to a post second. Era by era, Wilt was more dominant than Shaq, but if you took both in their prime, I think Shaq probably has little problem dominating Wilt. Wilt during his era only needed to do what he needed to do.... if there were defenders, he probably would have stepped up his game to counter it, but given what we know, I would be hard pressed to believe Shaq would lose. It is a size issue -- much like if you put the 1985 Bears OL against the 2012 Detroit DL, I think the DL will crush them based on size alone. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Powerhouse233 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU43dTuMuig Here is Wilt Chamberlain 20 years into retirement shaking hands with a rookie Shaq Wow. Great video. He looks bigger than Shaq and Ewing. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Wilt was just a phenomenal athlete. B&B often like to say there has never been a freak of nature like Lebron, but I believe Wilt was. |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Wilt was a great athlete FOR HIS TIME. But look at those videos, the tallest guy on the opposing team was maybe 6' 4". If you are an agile 7-footer, you should easily be able to manhandle a 6'4" white dude in the era of the bounce pass and set shot. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Id like to see Hakeem go against Wilt |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Big Chicagoan wrote: Wilt was a great athlete FOR HIS TIME. But look at those videos, the tallest guy on the opposing team was maybe 6' 4". If you are an agile 7-footer, you should easily be able to manhandle a 6'4" white dude in the era of the bounce pass and set shot. This is simply a misconception that people like to repeat ad-nauseum. Wilt's career wasn't spent playing against nothing but 6'4" white guys. I wish people would stop saying that. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Genetics are much better today. NBA has been selectively breeding for decades. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
rogers park bryan wrote: Id like to see Hakeem go against Wilt Hakeem was a full 3, maybe 4 inches shorter than Wilt. I think he'd have some struggles. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
I thought this thread was going to be about how Wilt got his record started. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Nas wrote: I thought this thread was going to be about how Wilt got his record started.
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Wilt Chamberlain in college |
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Id like to see Hakeem go against Wilt Hakeem was a full 3, maybe 4 inches shorter than Wilt. I think he'd have some struggles. He didn't have problems with Shaq. |
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