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Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:19 pm ]
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Offically retired today.

How good was he? Lebron says "pound for pound," best player ever. I never really understood the "pound for pound" thing...
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:23 pm ]
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Amazing for like 5 years or so. His ability to dominate like he did at his size was unbelievable.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:24 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Offically retired today.

How good was he? Lebron says "pound for pound," best player ever. I never really understood the "pound for pound" thing...

It's just a nice way of saying a small guy is good for being small.

I don't know exactly how good he was. One of the 5 best players in the league in his prime for sure. One of the 2 or 3 most memorable players of the post-MJ era. I get people who think he's overrated(really only the stat geeks), but anyone who says things like he's not a HOFer or wasn't a transcendent talent just don't know basketball.
Author:  JORR [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:25 pm ]
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Rose is probably his closest similarity.
Author:  mcbrides [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:27 pm ]
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Hope he doesn't take the pounding A.I. did.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:28 pm ]
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I feel like Iverson's legacy will always be signifying Everything That Was Wrong With The NBA during the murky Jordan-LeBron interregnum. Vince Carter, too, to a lesser extent.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:31 pm ]
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mcbrides wrote:
Hope he doesn't take the pounding A.I. did.

Westbrook probably is because he's smaller and not as strong as Rose and also looks to score a little more aggressively than Rose does. But both guys are pretty similar.


Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Rose is probably his closest similarity.

He's much stronger. Even though he's one of the closest comparables to Iverson, I don't think it's a great analogy. Iverson was really unique and we'll probably see 3 or 4 more Kobes before we see another Iverson.
Author:  JORR [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:31 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
I feel like Iverson's legacy will always be signifying Everything That Was Wrong With The NBA during the murky Jordan-LeBron interregnum. Vince Carter, too, to a lesser extent.


To me, Iverson was a great player. Carter was a guy with big numbers who really should be forgotten.
Author:  JORR [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:32 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
He's much stronger. Even though he's one of the closest comparables to Iverson, I don't think it's a great analogy. Iverson was really unique and we'll probably see 3 or 4 more Kobes before we see another Iverson.


I agree. Rose is bigger and stronger. But he also has a way to go to do what Iverson did. Iverson was a special player.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:34 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
He's much stronger. Even though he's one of the closest comparables to Iverson, I don't think it's a great analogy. Iverson was really unique and we'll probably see 3 or 4 more Kobes before we see another Iverson.


I agree. Rose is bigger and stronger. But he also has a way to go to do what Iverson did. Iverson was a special player.

Isn't really unique special? :wink:

I agree, but I think he's on his way to doing that, last year notwithstanding. Rose is a special player too.
Author:  JORR [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:36 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
He's much stronger. Even though he's one of the closest comparables to Iverson, I don't think it's a great analogy. Iverson was really unique and we'll probably see 3 or 4 more Kobes before we see another Iverson.


I agree. Rose is bigger and stronger. But he also has a way to go to do what Iverson did. Iverson was a special player.

Isn't really unique special? :wink:

I agree, but I think he's on his way to doing that, last year notwithstanding. Rose is a special player too.


Maybe, but the trick for a guy like that is staying healthy and it's going to be hard just like it was for Iverson.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:38 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
I feel like Iverson's legacy will always be signifying Everything That Was Wrong With The NBA during the murky Jordan-LeBron interregnum. Vince Carter, too, to a lesser extent.


To me, Iverson was a great player. Carter was a guy with big numbers who really should be forgotten.

Yeah, Carter never ultimately amounted to anything. But it was always Iverson who people pointed to when they decried the NBA as a "me-first thug league" or whatever. And, well, yeah, he was kind of a ball hog, but that's because he was a really good player on some really crappy teams. Maybe the whole "me-first" thing was just a function of a league that no longer had the "middle class" it used to have.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:47 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
He's much stronger. Even though he's one of the closest comparables to Iverson, I don't think it's a great analogy. Iverson was really unique and we'll probably see 3 or 4 more Kobes before we see another Iverson.


I agree. Rose is bigger and stronger. But he also has a way to go to do what Iverson did. Iverson was a special player.

Isn't really unique special? :wink:

I agree, but I think he's on his way to doing that, last year notwithstanding. Rose is a special player too.


Maybe, but the trick for a guy like that is staying healthy and it's going to be hard just like it was for Iverson.


Rose being taller helps. With diminished athleticism Iverson had a tough time getting uncontested shots over even moderately tall guards. I assume Rose won't always have to attack the paint to score, and that he can develop a serviceable mid range game that can supplement his penetration.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:50 pm ]
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AI the one of the top 15
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:52 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
I feel like Iverson's legacy will always be signifying Everything That Was Wrong With The NBA during the murky Jordan-LeBron interregnum. Vince Carter, too, to a lesser extent.


To me, Iverson was a great player. Carter was a guy with big numbers who really should be forgotten.

Yeah, Carter never ultimately amounted to anything. But it was always Iverson who people pointed to when they decried the NBA as a "me-first thug league" or whatever. And, well, yeah, he was kind of a ball hog, but that's because he was a really good player on some really crappy teams. Maybe the whole "me-first" thing was just a function of a league that no longer had the "middle class" it used to have.


Carter was good to great in the early 2000s, but that never carried onto his older years of I'd say 28ish and later. You're right about Iverson being made the icon of me first, but I see that as more pop cultural than anything to d o with the league. That kind of thinking was and is prevalent throughout the entire entertainment realm.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:54 pm ]
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I know what people are trying to say with the phrase. It just doesn't make sense. It's like saying that pound for pound, Shaq was bad.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:54 pm ]
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Carter was never great. I'm pretty sure he never wanted to be. During that 2001 second round series against Philly the series was there for the taking and it was clear that Iverson just wanted it more than VC. I remember several VC no-shows in the 4th quarter that series.
Author:  JORR [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:00 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
I know what people are trying to say with the phrase. It just doesn't make sense. It's like saying that pound for pound, Shaq was bad.


Just the opposite. It's saying that no matter how good Iverson was, he had no possibility to be as good as Shaq.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:06 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Carter was never great. I'm pretty sure he never wanted to be. During that 2001 second round series against Philly the series was there for the taking and it was clear that Iverson just wanted it more than VC. I remember several VC no-shows in the 4th quarter that series.


Agreed. What I meant was more along JORRS thought of him having good numbers but ultimately a forgettable player. And that's exactly what he's been for the past 3-4 years or more. It didnt have to be that way.
Author:  Regular Reader [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:10 pm ]
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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
AI the one of the top 15


:lol:

Not even close.
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:51 am ]
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I could never get past Iverson's horrid FG %. He threw up a ton of shots to get his 30 points. Seems like his defenders often used the Cutler defense (no supporting cast). Having said all that, I think he probably still belongs in HoF for various reasons.
Author:  Mr. Hernandez [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:57 pm ]
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I always wondered if he owned a suit
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