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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 9:21 pm 
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To former Microsoft CEO Steve Bollmer. Guy is crazy rich. I guess that means he doesn't mind overpaying by about $1.4B.


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He's going to rename them the Clippys.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 9:36 pm 
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:shock: Bought it for 12.5 million.

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They could use a new nickname, maybe move out of town. Something to get the bad mojo off the organization. San Diego Madres? Seattle Landhawks? Kansas City Chefs?


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I doubt he's happy with that total.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
He's going to rename them the Clippys.

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Nas wrote:
I doubt he's happy with that total.


Jeez, if the Clippers are worth $2B, what are the Lakers worth?

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I doubt he's happy with that total.


Jeez, if the Clippers are worth $2B, what are the Lakers worth?


At least $10B.

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To former Microsoft CEO Steve Bollmer. Guy is crazy rich. I guess that means he doesn't mind overpaying by about $1.4B.

How did he overpay?

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I'm shocked at the buying price but hopefully this will drop the former owner from the headlines.

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I wonder if I could sell my business for 4x the value if I publicly insult some ethnic group.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I wonder if I could sell my business for 4x the value if I publicly insult some ethnic group.

That "value" was clearly way off.

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You think that's worth 2 bil?

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Had to overpay to make the sale viable before the Sterlings kick-off--to make up for them forgoing the stepped-up basis their heirs would've rec'd on their death:

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Guessing if a sale happens before the wife dies now, the purchaser or the NBA/other owners will chip in an extra amount to cover the capital gains tax hit--similar to how when you look under your seat at Oprah and find the keys to a new car, Oprah kicks in some cash to cover the tax bill on the car.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
You think that's worth 2 bil?

Of course, simply because I believe he will be able to sell it for at least that when/if he wants in the foreseeable future.

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Jesus Christ, another money-losing acquisition. When will this guy just give it up?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
You think that's worth 2 bil?

Of course, simply because I believe he will be able to sell it for at least that when/if he wants in the foreseeable future.



Not so fast. Buying the Clippers for $2B today is like buying a major metro daily newspaper for the going rates 10 years ago. Or buying a McMansion in Will County for half-a-mil in 2007. Sports cable bubble is about to pop. When it does, pro sports franchises will plummet in value:

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Sooner or later, change will come. Maybe cable and satellite companies will move sports channels -- all of 'em -- on to an optional sports tier, with ESPN becoming the rough equivalent of HBO. (Verizon is experimenting with a "Select HD" 140-channel bundle that dumps sports and costs $15 less per month than its standard package; the company also has proposed paying networks for their content based on viewership, which would likely rebalance the roughly $4 affiliate fee gap between ESPN and USA, given that the latter averages slightly more viewers.) Maybe a Cablevision victory in its antitrust case against Viacom will speed up that process. Maybe Apple, Google or a Silicon Valley upstart will crack the pay TV code and find a way to blow up the entire industry; maybe they'll simple outbid Fox and ESPN for future sports rights, then make affiliate fees a thing of the past by distributing programming online and a la carte.

Whatever the case, sports fans finally will have to pay market rates. The Sports Cable Bubble will pop. It has to. Just do the math. Fifty-seven million cable and satellite subscribers who don't care about Dwight Howard's decision or Yasiel Puig as the baseball reincarnation of Bo Jackson currently pay at least $100 per person into television sports kitty, each and every year. Someday they won't have to. According to Dave Warner, the creator of the What You Pay for Sports website, losing just 10 million subscribers would cost ESPN $732 million in found-money affiliate fees. Now quadruple that number. Who makes up the difference? In a pay-only-for-what-you-actually-watch world, is Kentucky's basketball coach John Calipari worth $5.2 million annually when his entire sport's signature postseason tournament averages fewer viewers than CBS's "Under the Dome?" Does the Big Ten Network even exist?

"So few people are watching these sports channels and yet they are still paying for them," Warner says. "We pay to have ESPN and Fox pay the Big 12 $200 million per year, which pays Oklahoma $20 million a year, which pays [football coach] Bob Stoops $4 million a year, and then he gives a lecture about how they're not the only ones going hungry on a Sunday night. There's something so broken about that.

"Right now, the sports networks are simply collecting a subsidy. The question is, are the people who want and love sports willing to pay double what they are now? Sports fans are willing to pay. I don't know how much. If someone can disrupt the cable model, sports could find itself with a lot less money to spend."


http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/53498716#!SeUG1

Disruption is coming to the sports-broadcasting biz model over the next decade, as it did with the newspaper industry last decade. Newspapers value has plummeted in the last 10 years:

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FavreFan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
You think that's worth 2 bil?

Of course, simply because I believe he will be able to sell it for at least that when/if he wants in the foreseeable future.


They aren't worth $2 bil in today's money.

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Do they own half the arena too?

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Hussra wrote:
Disruption is coming to the sports-broadcasting biz model over the next decade, as it did with the newspaper industry last decade. Newspapers value has plummeted in the last 10 years:
The NBA still controls the product. The newspapers didn't control the news, and very quickly learned they didn't even control the writers.

The reason newspapers crashed was because the only value they provided was a means of distributing, and that means of distributing seems ancient now. It's not like basketball is about to be replaced by something better.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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You think that's worth 2 bil?

Of course, simply because I believe he will be able to sell it for at least that when/if he wants in the foreseeable future.


They aren't worth $2 bil in today's money.


What is your definition of "worth?" I mean, he outbid like 4 other bidders who were in the same ballpark.


And if you are at all referring to Forbes valuations... you know those are totally made up, right?


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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You think that's worth 2 bil?

Of course, simply because I believe he will be able to sell it for at least that when/if he wants in the foreseeable future.


They aren't worth $2 bil in today's money.

I don't understand this. Why not? If multiple people are willing to pay a price very similar to that, then that is what they are worth. That's it.

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What is your definition of "worth?" I mean, he outbid like 4 other bidders who were in the same ballpark.


And if you are at all referring to Forbes valuations... you know those are totally made up, right?
I find it hard to believe that spending $2 billion on the White Sox of Los Angeles will result in a quality return on investment. He's buying it is a play toy because he has more money than he knows what to do with.

Supposedly, the next bid was about $400 million less.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
What is your definition of "worth?" I mean, he outbid like 4 other bidders who were in the same ballpark.


And if you are at all referring to Forbes valuations... you know those are totally made up, right?
I find it hard to believe that spending $2 million on the White Sox of Los Angeles will result in a quality return on investment. He's buying it is a play toy because he has more money than he knows what to do with.

Supposedly, the next bid was about $400 million less.


My guess is someone could probably have said that when Sterling paid 12.5M for them. He's obviously not going to make his money back soon, but my guess is if he ever wants to sell in down the road, it will end up being a good investment.


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I don't understand this. Why not? If multiple people are willing to pay a price very similar to that, then that is what they are worth. That's it.
That isn't how you should really define worth. Worth is the amount of money it can make you.

For the Clippers to be worth $2 billion, they need to make a profit of about $100 million a year.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I don't understand this. Why not? If multiple people are willing to pay a price very similar to that, then that is what they are worth. That's it.
That isn't how you should really define worth. Worth is the amount of money it can make you.

For the Clippers to be worth $2 billion, they need to make a profit of about $100 million a year.


If someone else will pay 2.1 billion for it in a few years, how is that not worth it?


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My guess is someone could probably have said that when Sterling paid 12.5M for them. He's obviously not going to make his money back soon, but my guess is if he ever wants to sell in down the road, it will end up being a good investment.
The problem with that thinking is that the Clippers were basically a startup when he bought them.

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I hope this guy screams motivation at the players like he famously does in his meetings. It's pretty hilarious.


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If someone else will pay 2.1 billion for it in a few years, how is that not worth it?
$100 million in profit on a $2000 million investment over a few years is not a good investment.

That is like buying a stock for $200 and celebrating that three years later you sold it for $210.

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