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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
The Knicks are poised and ready to win an NBA championship now that he's hurt. If only he'd remain hurt for the rest of the season they will be hanging banners from the garden. After all the reason they can't win shit is because they have his losing ass the focal point. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
long time guy wrote: The Knicks are poised and ready to win an NBA championship now that he's hurt. If only he'd remain hurt for the rest of the season they will be hanging banners from the garden. After all the reason they can't win shit is because they have his losing ass the focal point. 
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: The Knicks are poised and ready to win an NBA championship now that he's hurt. If only he'd remain hurt for the rest of the season they will be hanging banners from the garden. After all the reason they can't win shit is because they have his losing ass the focal point. You really are a real riot, a laugh a minute |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
True, not a funny guy here and since you brought the per minute thing I bet my laugh efficiency rating is as bad as the basketball efficiency stuff for Melo. Anyway what were you trying to bring up? Melo is not cut out to play the leading role on a championship.contender. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
veganfan21 wrote: True, not a funny guy here and since you brought the per minute thing I bet my laugh efficiency rating is as bad as the basketball efficiency stuff for Melo. Anyway what were you trying to bring up? Melo is not cut out to play the leading role on a championship.contender. My point is that teammates matter. I tried to make it during the Melothon discussion during the Summer and everyone disagreed. I provided evidence which was conveniently ignored. Ask Kobe Anthony Davis and Lebron James do teammates matter? |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
All of those things were addressed during the summer too. Go reread the thread if you need a refresher. IIRC you said you wouldn't have sympathy for Marshmelo if he stayed in NY because he said his free agency choice would come down to who gave him the best chance to win a championship. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
LTG for comeback poster of the year. This guy is shutting people down. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: True, not a funny guy here and since you brought the per minute thing I bet my laugh efficiency rating is as bad as the basketball efficiency stuff for Melo. Anyway what were you trying to bring up? Melo is not cut out to play the leading role on a championship.contender. My point is that teammates matter. I tried to make it during the Melothon discussion during the Summer and everyone disagreed. I provided evidence which was conveniently ignored. Ask Kobe Anthony Davis and Lebron James do teammates matter? Teammates matter sure, but if I recall correctly Melo doesn't have a KG or LBJ type season to his resume. By that I mean KG and LBJ making the playoffs continually with little to no support before they joined star studded teams in different cities. I doubt "everyone" disagreed with you regarding the teammate stuff - he certainly was not part of good teams in NY, but some of those Denver teams were interesting and fairly competitive. Can't fault him for taking the money but I won't feel sorry for him as he voluntarily winds down his career in the new basketball Siberia. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
I can fault him. If he bet on himself (like LeBron) and took a 2 year deal, he could have won a title and made even more money with the new television deal. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: True, not a funny guy here and since you brought the per minute thing I bet my laugh efficiency rating is as bad as the basketball efficiency stuff for Melo. Anyway what were you trying to bring up? Melo is not cut out to play the leading role on a championship.contender. My point is that teammates matter. I tried to make it during the Melothon discussion during the Summer and everyone disagreed. I provided evidence which was conveniently ignored. Ask Kobe Anthony Davis and Lebron James do teammates matter? Teammates matter sure, but if I recall correctly Melo doesn't have a KG or LBJ type season to his resume. By that I mean KG and LBJ making the playoffs continually with little to no support before they joined star studded teams in different cities. I doubt "everyone" disagreed with you regarding the teammate stuff - he certainly was not part of good teams in NY, but some of those Denver teams were interesting and fairly competitive. Can't fault him for taking the money but I won't feel sorry for him as he voluntarily winds down his career in the new basketball Siberia. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: True, not a funny guy here and since you brought the per minute thing I bet my laugh efficiency rating is as bad as the basketball efficiency stuff for Melo. Anyway what were you trying to bring up? Melo is not cut out to play the leading role on a championship.contender. My point is that teammates matter. I tried to make it during the Melothon discussion during the Summer and everyone disagreed. I provided evidence which was conveniently ignored. Ask Kobe Anthony Davis and Lebron James do teammates matter? Teammates matter sure, but if I recall correctly Melo doesn't have a KG or LBJ type season to his resume. By that I mean KG and LBJ making the playoffs continually with little to no support before they joined star studded teams in different cities. I doubt "everyone" disagreed with you regarding the teammate stuff - he certainly was not part of good teams in NY, but some of those Denver teams were interesting and fairly competitive. Can't fault him for taking the money but I won't feel sorry for him as he voluntarily winds down his career in the new basketball Siberia. I guess I mean making it past the first round then. I know he went to the WCF once, and I don't know if KG made it past the first round in Minnesota except for one or two times. Anyway I really don't know what your point was with the first post, hence my picture. All good players need help. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
Nas wrote: I can fault him. If he bet on himself (like LeBron) and took a 2 year deal, he could have won a title and made even more money with the new television deal. In one of yr post you said that the bird rule wouldn't apply to him if he took a two yr deal now you're saying he is wrong for not betting on himself. I don't want to fight the Melo to the Bulls that's over. I'm addressing the Bernsteinesque teammates don't matter premise that everyone took during the Summer. Look at the "winners" now. Lebron will be fine because he has talent. Kobe won 3 titles when he wasn't the best player on his team. The other two had a hall of famer and bynum second best center Odom top 6th man and Artest playing at high level. Melo has never played with a player as good as Wade and Bosh. Iverson and Stoudamire were done when he got there. I heard a lot of garbage about teammates not mattering. I provided historical evidence which traced this stuff back to the eighties. No superstar player has won anything by himself. The standards that the Melo bashers held him to aren't being applied to other players that is my point. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
Veganfan I don't know if you were one of them I honestly dont. But the other ones definitely know what I'm talking about. I argued for two days about this stuff and it was pooh poohed. Winning is often a product of who you play with. If Pippen doesn't develop Jordan wins nothing. Where is Anthony's Pippen? |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: True, not a funny guy here and since you brought the per minute thing I bet my laugh efficiency rating is as bad as the basketball efficiency stuff for Melo. Anyway what were you trying to bring up? Melo is not cut out to play the leading role on a championship.contender. My point is that teammates matter. I tried to make it during the Melothon discussion during the Summer and everyone disagreed. I provided evidence which was conveniently ignored. Ask Kobe Anthony Davis and Lebron James do teammates matter? Teammates matter sure, but if I recall correctly Melo doesn't have a KG or LBJ type season to his resume. By that I mean KG and LBJ making the playoffs continually with little to no support before they joined star studded teams in different cities. I doubt "everyone" disagreed with you regarding the teammate stuff - he certainly was not part of good teams in NY, but some of those Denver teams were interesting and fairly competitive. Can't fault him for taking the money but I won't feel sorry for him as he voluntarily winds down his career in the new basketball Siberia. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
LeBron doesn't have Bird Rights in Cleveland either. He signed a 2 year deal and he'll sign a 4 year deal when the tv deal goes into effect in a couple years. Marshmelo could have done the same and made $30-70M more and won a title. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: True, not a funny guy here and since you brought the per minute thing I bet my laugh efficiency rating is as bad as the basketball efficiency stuff for Melo. Anyway what were you trying to bring up? Melo is not cut out to play the leading role on a championship.contender. My point is that teammates matter. I tried to make it during the Melothon discussion during the Summer and everyone disagreed. I provided evidence which was conveniently ignored. Ask Kobe Anthony Davis and Lebron James do teammates matter? Teammates matter sure, but if I recall correctly Melo doesn't have a KG or LBJ type season to his resume. By that I mean KG and LBJ making the playoffs continually with little to no support before they joined star studded teams in different cities. I doubt "everyone" disagreed with you regarding the teammate stuff - he certainly was not part of good teams in NY, but some of those Denver teams were interesting and fairly competitive. Can't fault him for taking the money but I won't feel sorry for him as he voluntarily winds down his career in the new basketball Siberia. Well if he wants to be remembered as a guy who put up great numbers on a crappy team in the worst conference in the history of team sports - a team that also laughably failed to qualify in said conference - then I'm sure he'll would be glad to know he's got one fan that will give him credit for it. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: True, not a funny guy here and since you brought the per minute thing I bet my laugh efficiency rating is as bad as the basketball efficiency stuff for Melo. Anyway what were you trying to bring up? Melo is not cut out to play the leading role on a championship.contender. My point is that teammates matter. I tried to make it during the Melothon discussion during the Summer and everyone disagreed. I provided evidence which was conveniently ignored. Ask Kobe Anthony Davis and Lebron James do teammates matter? Teammates matter sure, but if I recall correctly Melo doesn't have a KG or LBJ type season to his resume. By that I mean KG and LBJ making the playoffs continually with little to no support before they joined star studded teams in different cities. I doubt "everyone" disagreed with you regarding the teammate stuff - he certainly was not part of good teams in NY, but some of those Denver teams were interesting and fairly competitive. Can't fault him for taking the money but I won't feel sorry for him as he voluntarily winds down his career in the new basketball Siberia. Well if he wants to be remembered as a guy who put up great numbers on a crappy team in the worst conference in the history of team sports - a team that also laughably failed to qualify in said conference - then I'm sure he'll would be glad to know he's got one fan that will give him credit for it. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
Nas wrote: LeBron doesn't have Bird Rights in Cleveland either. He signed a 2 year deal and he'll sign a 4 year deal when the tv deal goes into effect in a couple years. Marshmelo could have done the same and made $30-70M more and won a title. I really believe this is his last big contract. Lebron is different because he will receive money regardless. It would take a career ending injury for Cleveland not to pay him. Gilbert doesn't want to be crucified again. As an aside, I wanted to ask you about the Midnight Madness at Kenwood. We're u there? I think I read that |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:58 pm ] |
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I wasn't there. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
Nas wrote: All of those things were addressed during the summer too. Go reread the thread if you need a refresher. IIRC you said you wouldn't have sympathy for Marshmelo if he stayed in NY because he said his free agency choice would come down to who gave him the best chance to win a championship. This was said by Longtimeguy. Nas with the KO victory 
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
Not really. It's extremely naive to believe an athlete especially while they are going through free agency. Show me the athlete that will say yeah I'm going to take the money and run. Nas' s number s were off too. The guy from the article clearly stated the Bulls couldn't get higher than 74 million. Nas with his Reagan like voodoo economics kept saying that the Bulls were close. It's clear they (50 million) difference were not. The point of this thread was to demonstrate that you need other players to win. I'm hearing now that it's true but whenever I argued it during the summer that was not the case. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
There you go again making stuff up. I never said the Bulls or any other team besides the Knicks could offer him $130M. Why? Because every team besides the Knicks could only give him a 4 year deal. In order for the Bulls to get to $96M (the max every other team could offer) they would have needed to do a sign and trade. Also Marshmelo said the Bulls offered him a 2 year deal. That actually makes sense based on the fact that type of offer would be more financially rewarding than the Knicks deal. I'm not sure about the point you continue to try to make regarding players. No one here said that Marshmelo should have won a title on any team he's been on. It's like you dug your heals in and put your hands over your eyes so you couldn't see what was posted. I said he should have gotten past the 1st round of the playoffs on many of his playoff teams. I said he shouldn't have been swept so much. I pointed out how awful his playoff record is. I also pointed out that he's been AWFUL in the playoffs. Ultimately you agreed with my assessment but countered with the fact none of his teams (maybe with the exception of his WCF team) were championship caliber. No one said they were though. Bottom line is a great player should be able to win a few early playoff series or games just based on their talent alone. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
He is constantly referred to being a loser because he hasn't won and my point is that he has never been on a team that should have won. I know revisionism is always your angle but its in the other thread. His teams have always finished about they were supposed to finish. You also attempted to make the argument that the money was about the same. Not 130 but 96 was your number and New York was never going to do a sign and trade so why bring it up. You also keep throwing this two yr stuff out and blaming him for not taking it. It's his fault that he didn't take a shitty deal and pleasing a few Bulls fans. My basic point during this thread was to demonstrate how some of the Better players teams struggle when they don't have supporting players. I don't expect anyone to go back and read that stuff but you kind of made that argument last week when I mentioned Kobe. You referred to him as a champion. Not when he doesn't have them guys and that point is proven now. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:22 pm ] |
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Have a good day Long Time Guy. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:37 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Have a good day Long Time Guy.  Nas' dismissal statement.
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:43 pm ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: Nas wrote: Have a good day Long Time Guy. Nas' dismissal statement.If you can't beat them........... RUN!!!!!! |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Carmelo that losing bum Anthony |
Kevin Garnett never did in Minnesota. There have been a number of great players that couldn't do it by themselves. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:39 am ] |
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Pretty sure the Knicks can be bad with or without Carmelo. If your point is that Carmelo can take a really bad team to simply a bad team then congratulations on your amazing thought! |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:02 am ] |
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The Knicks are poised to take off remember |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:04 am ] |
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No they're not he's back. If only his losing ass would just stay hurt because he really kills their team |
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