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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:42 pm 
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After further review, I think this is a really good deal for both teams. Excitement for Dodgers baseball is huge, and Boston is in a great position to contend next year. If I'm in charge of the Red Sox, this is how the off-season goes.

Fire Valentine
Sign Josh Hamilton for 3 yrs/90 million dollars with drug terms
Sign Mike Napoli for 4 yrs/60 million
Sign Stephen Drew for 1 yr/5 million
Re-sign Cody Ross for 3/12 million
Re-sign Ortiz for 2/28 million
Sign McCarthy for 3/24 million
Trade for number one starter

Batting Order/Defense
1 Ellsbury CF
2 Pedroia 2B
3 Hamilton LF
4 Napoli 1B/C
5 Ortiz DH
6 Middlebrooks 3B
7 Ross LF
8 Drew SS
9 Lavarnway C

Rotation
1 TBD
2 Lester
3 Bucholz
4 McCarthy
5 Lackey

Payroll for the 25 man roster, after arbitration, would be about 123 million.

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Who do you think they should get as manager, DI?


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Jim Leyland, after he's shitcanned by Detroit.


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Coop!!!! Mr Red Ass himself will not only fix the pitching staff, he will change the country club culture.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:47 pm 
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Colonel Angus wrote:
Who do you think they should get as manager, DI?


Anyone not named Bobby Valentine. I definitely think it takes a certain type of manager to do it in Boston.

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All this money to LA, if they don't win in the next three years its going to be a massive failure.

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Boston came out great..stunned that they found someone to take on all that bad money..The Dodgers are not going to win shit..it is a huge failure already.And Josh Hamlton will get a LOT more $ than 90 million in this upcoming deal.

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What an awful trade for both teams. Boston gives up A-Gone to get out from under some awful paper so they can turn around and give awful paper out to someone else. Dumb fucks.

And the Dodgers. Fuck you. You don't have this kind of money. You'll find this out in a year or two when you start firing saleing like a bunch of dumb assholes. Fuck I hate this trade.

I dont get this reaction at all. Who cares if the Dodgers have this kind of money? And how do you know they dont? And if they do firesale in a year or two....so what?


And the Boston take is pretty weird too. They got out of two bad contracts and the player they traded plays the most replaceable position in baseball.


The Dodgers are fighting for a World Series and against the Angels in the SoCal market. Why not take a shot?


I dont think Crawford is done, either. He'll probably be good again. And they got a guy who has carried his team thru the postseason twice in Beckett.

Its a lot of money to take on, but its worth the shot.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:52 pm 
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How is Crawford going to play in the NL next year coming off TJ surgery?

I agree bryan that he is not done but he cannot play the field next year. Some AL team should try to get him from the Dodgers for pennies on the dollar.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:13 am 
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How is Crawford going to play in the NL next year coming off TJ surgery?

I agree bryan that he is not done but he cannot play the field next year. Some AL team should try to get him from the Dodgers for pennies on the dollar.

I was talking about this with a co worker but what is the comeback time from TJ for a position player?

If a pitcher can be back in less than a year, I would think a position player could be back a lot sooner


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rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
How is Crawford going to play in the NL next year coming off TJ surgery?

I agree bryan that he is not done but he cannot play the field next year. Some AL team should try to get him from the Dodgers for pennies on the dollar.

I was talking about this with a co worker but what is the comeback time from TJ for a position player?

If a pitcher can be back in less than a year, I would think a position player could be back a lot sooner



Crawford never had much arm anyway. I figure he'll end up in a Cardinal outfield. He has a St. Louis arm.

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Right, I mean how long is it gonna take for him to be strong enough to one hop it to second base from mid outfield?


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I cannot think of a less funny comic in history that Colin Quinn.


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
I cannot think of a less funny comic in history that Colin Quinn.

Paul Reiser
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:01 am 
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I cannot think of a less funny comic in history that Colin Quinn.

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Nope.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:03 am 
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
I cannot think of a less funny comic in history that Colin Quinn.

I disagree.

His last show Long Story Short is viewable for free on Youtube if you care to give him one last shot.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
How is Crawford going to play in the NL next year coming off TJ surgery?

I agree bryan that he is not done but he cannot play the field next year. Some AL team should try to get him from the Dodgers for pennies on the dollar.

I was talking about this with a co worker but what is the comeback time from TJ for a position player?

If a pitcher can be back in less than a year, I would think a position player could be back a lot sooner


It has to be at least nine months, right? I understand he might not have much of an arm, but with that injury he has NO functional arm...and in cavernous dodger stadium.

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Those hard throws from the outfield likely will be the biggest hurdle Crawford has to overcome next spring as he works his way back following surgery. Recovery for a position player following Tommy John surgery often ranges from six to nine months, less than the standard yearlong projection for pitchers. Clearly the throwing demands on the elbow are far greater for a pitcher than for any position player. Among all position players, outfielders may throw less frequently than infielders, but their throws often demand a greater distance, pushing them toward the outer boundary of that timetable. Recovering to the point of making those throws on a consistent basis likely will require extra time for Crawford.

Following surgery, light throwing and hitting can often be initiated at approximately four months, which translates to December for Crawford. By spring training, he should be able to hit against live pitching if all is progressing well. And while a general recovery time frame of eight to nine months puts the calendar at April-May, it may take some additional time for Crawford to comfortably throw from the field to home plate.

As an example, outfielder Xavier Nady was playing with the New York Yankees in 2009 when he sustained his second ulnar collateral ligament tear. He underwent surgery in July of that year, signed with the Chicago Cubs the following January and was active when the 2010 season started. However, he did not play in the field every day and was still restricted on some throws early in the season. He did not make a throw from the outfield wall to home plate until mid-June. Granted, it was Nady's second elbow reconstruction, which warranted extra caution, and no two individuals necessarily recover at the same rate. Still, it should not be considered automatic that Crawford will be in full defensive form when the 2013 season launches. On the positive side, his hitting should not be limited. If his bat can be effective, the Red Sox will undoubtedly find a way to utilize him while his throwing range progresses.



Apparently, ESPN didnt hear that Crawford was traded, but the rest stands!


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Crawford's deal every bit as bad as Sorianos. Red Sox got lucky they were able to find a taker for him.

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There's no doubt the Dodgers made a BOLD move by acquiring 1B Adrian Gonzalez, P Josh Beckett, IF Nick Punto & injured OF Carl Crawford over the weekend from the Red Sox, not to mention some $262.5 million in salary in the process. According to Dodgers' GM Ned Colletti, he told Dan Patrick this morning that this A-Gon deal was in the works since April.

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Crawford's deal every bit as bad as Sorianos. Red Sox got lucky they were able to find a taker for him.


It's turning out worse. At least Soriano was available to lead the team at the front end of the contract. Crawford has effectively been out the first two years and will underperform next year.

I thought Soriano was getting a good market rate when he signed his contract. Crawford was never worth the money they were paying him, even in year 1 of the deal.

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