Blyleven won 2 WS and was 5-1 with a 2.47 ERA in postseason play when he wasn't on a team that sucked.

Also, he was injured in his late 20s and missed a couple prime years of wins.

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Can we all agree to include Blyleven in the HOF and leave him out of the discussion regarding the potential induction of Schilling into the HOF? While we may not like it, the baseball gods have deemed Blyleven unworthy for quite a long time. Throwing his name into the discussion here is simply a pointless diversion.

Without invoking Sir Bert, tell me how a HOF that includes Jim Bunning shouldn't include Curt Schilling?

Bunning : 519 starts : 224-184 W/L : 3.27 ERA : 2855 SO : 1000 BB : 151 CG : 40 SHO : 1.179 WHIP
Schillling : 436 starts : 216-146 W/L : 3.46 ERA : 3116 SO : 711 BB : 83 CG : 20 SHO : 1.137 WHIP

You're right. Kick Bunning out too.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Schilling will get in. If he played for Detroit, he wouldn't. But, he played for Boston, so he will.

Schilling is the Jack Morris case. Very good career stats, excellent in the postseason. Except I think Morris was better for longer with more wins and he isn't in.

If Schilling gets in they better get Morris in there too.

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Why not David Cone? ...how about Brett Saberhagen?
Why don't Mike & Mike spend a couple weeks discussing the merits of these guys. Why? Maybe because they don't deserve it. But if they don't deserve it, neither does Schilling....at least Cone has a Cy Young award, Saberhagen has 2!!
Nice career Curt, now please retire and go away.

Pitching in 700 games with a career ERA just above 3 shows you that he was on lousy offensive teams and did not get much run support. So we should punish him for that? And reward Schilling because he landed on a couple of winners in the twilight of his career? That Arizona team was all free agent stadouts, for the most part. Something Blyleven never had. Same can be said to a lesser extent with Boston's first title. I just find it very very hard to deny a guy who has 240some complete games and 287 wins, but say yes to Curt fucking Schilling.

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If you go to baseball-reference.com they have a cool feature at the bottom of a players page that will tell you the 10 players whose stats they most matchup with in baseball history.

Burt Blyleven-

Don Sutton (914) *
Gaylord Perry (909) *
Fergie Jenkins (890) *
Tommy John (889)
Robin Roberts (876) *
Tom Seaver (864) *
Jim Kaat (854)
Early Wynn (844) *
Phil Niekro (844) *
Steve Carlton (840) *

Curt Schilling-

Kevin Brown (920)
Bob Welch (900)
Orel Hershiser (889)
Mike Mussina (888)
Freddie Fitzsimmons (884)
John Smoltz (880)
Milt Pappas (880)
Don Drysdale (875) *
Dazzy Vance (873) *
Jim Perry (871)

* - Signifies Hall of Famer

No. A career with only five great years, at least that many poor years and the question about his 'training' regimen doesn't scream HOF to me.

Hall of Good, yes, just like K. Brown, Mussina and Bob Welch.

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If the Kiefer Sutherland-looking Curt Schilling gets into the Hall of Fame, they'll definitely look at his dominating postseason resume first. Other than that, Bert Blyleven, complete with a Twins' cap, should get into Cooperstown ahead of Schilling. When Curt gets in, the HOF will have him sport a Red Sox cap for sure.

Fixed...allegedly

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Every pitcher with 50 or more career shutouts is in the Hall of Fame except for one: Bert Blyleven (60)

From my MLB desk calender 5/1/2009

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In easily. Good stats, good post season, good "moment in time" (bloody sock.) Can't see him not making it.

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Konerko has good stats, good postseason, good moment in time (grand slam is the WS), is he in?

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Schilling's numbers aren't that much better than Orel Hershisers. Orel was a very good pitcher but I don't think anyone is screaming that he should be in the Hall. Orel has a Cy Young award and the record for continuous scoreless innings (58) for his 'moment in time' (whatever that is).

Is the counter in front of the cash register a proper place to put personal affects?

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not a good comparison.

schilling can be considered for the hall of fame.

3k K's (3,116 to be exact; 14th most in MLB history). 3 world series rings. nlcs mvp in 1993. 2001 world series mvp. holds a major league record for consecutive innings not allowing an earned run (69). the last person to hold that record was also him, at 53.

Joe Morgan just knocked this debate out the park.




The Poofer- bet was doing that arm twitching shit when he was typing.

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