63 more plate appearances for Cabrera

How bout this? Who has been the better player since April 29th when Trout came up?


Also, how many runs has Trout saved in CF vs how many Cabrera has let up at 3b?

Me too. I just though the mere idea of choosing Trout in that situation would appear ridiculous. Maybe it doesn't to some people.

I see the way the Sox pitch scared to Trout. They really don't seem to do the same to Cabrera. I think an irrational fear of Fielder might be the cause. I'm not pitching around Trout. He might be the greatest rookie in the history of the world, I don't want to get to Pujols any faster than I have to. If Trout beats me, good for him. I don't feel the same way about Cabrera. I hate intentional walks but he's one guy I would just never picth to in any situation. Fuck him. Fatass will have to beat me.

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Cabrera is slugging .825 for the last month.

I'm not sure how many runs one guy has saved. I'm pretty sure even the great Ozzie Smith was figured to have "saved" only about six or something in his best season.

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Runs scored is largely dependent on the batters behind you.. Cabrera would be my choice is given only one at bat..and I firmly believe Trout is on peds.

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Who are the shitty players in baseball history who scored 125 runs with great guys behind them?

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I think a CF who robs homeruns is unusually easy to credit with saving runs.

All you can do is get on base..I am sure there are numerous players with high obp that scored less runs then they should have.

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they're both on PEDS so that matters not to me for this argument.

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I have no reason to suspect Miguel for using peds.

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But you can't assume whoever else would be out there wouldn't do exactly the same in at least some of the situations. It's like the idiots who say "Mark Grace saved a million errors by scooping Dunston's throws." That's the first baseman's job. Even the worst ones scoop most bad throws up.

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Mark Grace has a drinking problem

Fixed

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Miggy's PEDs appears to be vodka and fried foods.

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Cabrera wins the Triple Crown tonight. His line 44HR, 139RBI, .330 is better in all catagories than only one other TC winner. Hey, Hawk, who is it?

It's not just the fact that Trout plays better defense. It's also the fact that he's got slugger numbers at a position that is typically populated with weak hitters. Cabrera's a better hitter true...but not a more *valuable* hitter because it's easier to find a slugging third baseman. It's not like we haven't seen MVPs win by this logic before: Barry Larkin, Jeff Kent, Ryne Sandberg, etc.

The triple crown is a funny thing. An interesting thing about Cabrera's advanced hitting stats is that they're the lowest of his last 3 years. Maybe they should come up with a new triple crown: OBP/SLG/HR ? Of course, Cabrera would very nearly have that award also this year (he leads in HR/SLG and is 4th in OBP).

I think Miggy shut the door on Trouts MVP run.

Got the Triple Crown while helping his team win the division

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Why? Because the current conventional wisdom is that RBI are irrelevant? Ironically, I'm sure the same guys that believe in choking will be here soon to tell us why RBI is a "bad stat". The Triple Crown you suggest gives far too much credit for walks. A walk isn't a bad thing, but in most cases it shifts the responsibility for driving in the runs to the next guy(s) in the order. If you aren't scoring a run or driving one in, what effect are you having?

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Trout still deserves it IMO.

It's not a 'bad stat' but it's importance has been overvalued over the years. Or rather, it's been diminished because we have a better understanding of other statistics that help portray a complete hitter outside of triple crown.

Trout is my MVP.

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I think the focus from a SABRmetric standpoint is always on the predictive. I don't care about predicting anything. I'm not a GM and I don't have a fantasy team. A guy that drives in runs actually did it. That can't be taken away from him. The fact that he drives in less the next year with a higher OBP is what's irreelevant for my purposes. I'm simply looking at achievement this year. A guy came up with men on. He drove them in.

The problem with some of this analysis is the conclusions being drawn are so fluid. For example, over the past several years the conventional wisdom has been that "a strikeout is no worse than any other out." Now I read in this weeks S.I. that the Tigers are the darling because they have two big guys who seldom strike out and putting balls in play is critical. Now, if you believe that balls in play are random, obviously having more of them will result in more times on base, which kind of puts lie to the other idea that a strikeout is "just an out." That's true only after the out has actually occurred.

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Also of note: Tigers did make the playoffs, but the Angels won more games, and did it in a tougher division.

But Cabrera carried his team!!!

I'm pretty sure the Central had a winning record vs. the West. Why do you think it's a tougher division?

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Because they had 3 teams with a better record than the AL Central division champions?

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Unless I am incorrectly reading the MLB Standings Grid, I think the American League Central was 73 - 101 against the American League West.

I believe that only the White Sox had a winning record against West teams. They were 20 - 12.

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But they didn't have the same schedules.

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So you agree that the 2012 version of Mickey Mantle should be MVP?