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Nardi

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:27 pm

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HawaiiYou wrote:

denisdman wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

denisdman wrote:

They’ve made the game tough to watch. The average game stretches too long especially when it runs past 10:00 on week nights. As you say, the three outcome at bats are annoying.

I never understood why they don’t spread the product out like football has done. There should be at least one national league and one american league day game every day. When I did fantasy we loved following games during the day. I’d love to watch Trout play more. I am getting into bed as his games are starting, and generally they’re not on tv anyway.

The Dodgers and Giants have been able to overcome being on Pacific Time. I don't know why the Angels can't seem to. They should definitely play more day games, can't see how it'd hurt.

The Giants should play every game during the day. I have been to a dozen games there, and it gets freezing once the sun goes down. From 70 to sub 50 very fast.....

Don’t eat the garlic fries.

You've never heard of a sweater?

Why'd he say sub 50? Isn't that the 40s?

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HawaiiYou

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:29 pm

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Nardi wrote:

HawaiiYou wrote:

denisdman wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

denisdman wrote:

The Dodgers and Giants have been able to overcome being on Pacific Time. I don't know why the Angels can't seem to. They should definitely play more day games, can't see how it'd hurt.

The Giants should play every game during the day. I have been to a dozen games there, and it gets freezing once the sun goes down. From 70 to sub 50 very fast.....

Don’t eat the garlic fries.

You've never heard of a sweater?

Why'd he say sub 50? Isn't that the 40s?

he suffers from berstien-eye-tiss - wants to make sure everyone knows that' he's so smart

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Curious Hair

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:32 pm

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KDdidit wrote:

denisdman wrote:

The owners have a major cash flow issue this year with no fans. While they’re sitting on billion dollar franchises, that is not a liquid asset in the short run. They have to deal with season tickets holders and the lack of ongoing revenues from having fans in stadiums.

So while it’s not a sacrifice, it is a serious business problem.

Unless you're poor family scrubs like the McCaskeys, owning a pro sports franchise is a prestige thing, not a serious business thing. Obviously that doesn't mean owners should just set their money on fire, but that's where they lose me on the "both sides" part.

Which MLB teams, if any, are mom-and-pop enterprises like the Bears and Steelers? I think all the old family ownership has been completely turned over.

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Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:37 pm

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HawaiiYou wrote:

denisdman wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

denisdman wrote:

The Dodgers and Giants have been able to overcome being on Pacific Time. I don't know why the Angels can't seem to. They should definitely play more day games, can't see how it'd hurt.

The Giants should play every game during the day. I have been to a dozen games there, and it gets freezing once the sun goes down. From 70 to sub 50 very fast.....

Don’t eat the garlic fries.

You've never heard of a sweater?

Like the ones Pat Hughes wears? Baseball is no fun in 40 degree weather.

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Terry's Peeps

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:48 pm

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I'm so sick of Major League Baseball I could vomit.

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It's true, it's not. But it's interesting that we love being in The Elements for football but abhor it at baseball games. And being indoors sucks worse! Baseball is for warm sunny days.

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Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:51 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

Cancelling 7/8ths of the draft and screwing over the minor leagues, will there be baseball in 5 or 10 years, especially if they don't play at least 70 games this season.

More precisely, will the current owners of MLB have a meaningful league by 2030, or will Amazon and Disney partner up to start a better competing league?

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denisdman

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:52 pm

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Curious Hair wrote:

It's true, it's not. But it's interesting that we love being in The Elements for football but abhor it at baseball games. And being indoors sucks worse! Baseball is for warm sunny days.

I fully admit to being a weather sissy. The body gets colder easier as you age. Plus high school baseball is largely played in April and May with cold wet windy weather being the norm. I got sick of being stone cold.

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Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:03 pm

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denisdman wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

It's true, it's not. But it's interesting that we love being in The Elements for football but abhor it at baseball games. And being indoors sucks worse! Baseball is for warm sunny days.

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Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:07 pm

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I knew that was coming. I almost changed It but figured one of you wrestling nerds would enjoy that.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:20 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

denisdman wrote:

Neither side cares about the game.

Odd both sides comment. What sacrifices are the owners making?

Losing money on every game?

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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:28 pm

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There does seem to be a notion that the owners lose money for the heck of it. Many want to mention paper increases in value year over year as if they are operating currency.

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Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:30 pm

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pittmike wrote:

There does seem to be a notion that the owners lose money for the heck of it. Many want to mention paper increases in value year over year as if they are operating currency.

The notion is that if there is to be losses for the season, then owners can suck it up one time and lose money.

They make money hand over fist every year.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:32 pm

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

pittmike wrote:

There does seem to be a notion that the owners lose money for the heck of it. Many want to mention paper increases in value year over year as if they are operating currency.

The notion is that if there is to be losses for the season, then owners can suck it up one time and lose money.

They make money hand over fist every year.

Do you feel the same for all businesses?

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Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:34 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Terry's Peeps wrote:

pittmike wrote:

There does seem to be a notion that the owners lose money for the heck of it. Many want to mention paper increases in value year over year as if they are operating currency.

The notion is that if there is to be losses for the season, then owners can suck it up one time and lose money.

They make money hand over fist every year.

Do you feel the same for all businesses?

For the most part yes.

Especially sports.

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Nardi

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:36 pm

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pittmike wrote:

There does seem to be a notion that the owners lose money for the heck of it. Many want to mention paper increases in value year over year as if they are operating currency.

Sell. Many takers.

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Frank Coztansa

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:39 pm

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

I'm so sick of Major League Baseball I could vomit.

Just declare the White Sox 2020 Champions, and move on.

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conns7901

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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:44 pm

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Not over yet.

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:51 pm

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denisdman wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

denisdman wrote:

Neither side cares about the game.

Odd both sides comment. What sacrifices are the owners making?

How big of a problem is this when money is virtual free? Plus there is still going to be money pouring in for television rights.

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Kirkwood

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:01 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

denisdman wrote:

Neither side cares about the game.

Odd both sides comment. What sacrifices are the owners making?

Losing money on every game?

Seems like it's worth losing money for a season rather than alienate fans for years to come. The holding period for sports franchises is measured in decades rather than years. Seems short-sighted to risk the health of your overall business for one year of loss (while experiencing record profits the past decade...)

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B Mac

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

denisdman wrote:

Neither side cares about the game.

Odd both sides comment. What sacrifices are the owners making?

Losing money on every game?

I think the issue is that they only want to solve it for this half season. They weren’t clamoring for revenue sharing when the money was flooding in, and they have flat said this is only to cover their asses while the fans aren’t in the stands. As soon as the cash flow picks up they want it right back to the way it was. I’ve got no issue with the players standing their ground.

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Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:44 pm

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There is obviously a faction of small market owners who want to stay off the field until the players capitulate on a new CBA. Even if it means no season until then.

The antitrust exemption has to go away. Then MLBPA has to then reorganize to welcome new leagues after December 1, 2021.

Amazon can make 1 "Amazon Global Baseball" game per day free to Prime members, or charge $3/day or $15/week for all day viewing of all games. Even if they have to play in AAA stadiums for the first couple of years.

Fuck the owners on this.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Will there be baseball in 2020?

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:26 am

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Sounds like the players plan to file a grievance or MLB would have already announced the start date.

I don't get how people don't blame the players as much as the owners. Sign an agreement for 48 games at full salary and play.

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Nas

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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:30 am

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Because I believe that the deal they signed in March had language about playing the "most games" they can play. You can't say that about a 48 game schedule in June.

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Its absolutely the player's fault. Very nearly 100%. They are trying to leverage this situation to get the owners to open the books and they are killing the game in the process.

The only sliver of responsibility that falls with ownership is that they haven't just opened the books and had a season. Even if it is an unreasonable demand, they should just give in and have baseball.

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Nas

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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:35 am

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Antarctica wrote:

It's 0% the players fault. They've asked the owners to honor the agreement that was made earlier this year and the owners have spent more than a month trying to find ways to renege

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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:38 am

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Nas wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Because I believe that the deal they signed in March had language about playing the "most games" they can play. You can't say that about a 48 game schedule in June.

If the players are going to file a grievance, I think it is bad for them to be saying now, where and when. They look good right now but if they file a grievance and then don't play, they get the bad look again. They have proven a great point going forward in the upcoming negotiations.

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They should file a grievance because they'd win, and since MLB knows it they're trying to run out the clock on them.

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conns7901

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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:42 am

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Antarctica wrote:

-Well overall pay had shrunk the previous two years despite record profits.
-Service time manipulation has increased.
-Young players who could be possible stars have to sign under market long term deals to be let out of the minors. Deals that will only be looked on favorably if they end up sucking.

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Not over yet.

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Nas

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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:44 am

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Nas wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Because I believe that the deal they signed in March had language about playing the "most games" they can play. You can't say that about a 48 game schedule in June.

They shouldn't take filing a grievance off the table. Every month they don't play costs the players hundreds of millions of dollars in pay. Playing 48 games instead of 80 would do the same.

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