long term viability ship has sailed. baseball is a dying sport.

They should let fans sign up before hand and be the runner for these innings. Mask and all.

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This was all part of the collective bargaining because of the pandemic. The players stayed firm on only getting prorated salaries. The owners offered other solutions that kept the salaries the same on a per game basis.

If anything, the players argued in more bad faith than the owners. The owners made concessions. The only concession the players made was to play even more games.

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Once again, the agreement in March assumed fans to be in the stands. This is an undeniable fact. The owners didn't go back on any agreement.

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Passan reporting MLB will tell MLBPA to report to a 60 game season from July 1.

Lot of questions -

are they to report in Arizona/Florida or is it back to home stadiums?
what about the divisions? same divisions as usual or is it going to be organized by region like discussed before?
schedule ? will teams only play within their region or division? Like the cubs won't be going to play the dodgers in LA and vice versa?

This would have happened if the players had been willing to sign an agreement saying they won't file a grievance.

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Yes, their latest offer. How long did it take them to get to their contractual obligations? And why?

They knew all along how many games they wanted. So they bad faithed it all the way until the clock ran out. Now there will be a won grievance followed by a lawsuit and MLB will have to open up the books.

Personally, I love it. Can't wait for a deep forensic accounting.

We shall see. First, we shall see if Players file, and if they do, we shall see the result.

Once again, they had no contractual obligation to offer full salaries in the case that fans weren't in the stands. This is a fact. The union would have to agree to it though.

The players made their last counteroffer on June 9th. MLB followed up 3 days later and they were denied. MLB then offered full prorated salaries on June 17th. That means in 8 days from the last offer by the player the owners made two offers, the second one was actually pretty good.

Calling it "bad faith" is just being stubborn at this point.

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The players are the bad guys if they file a grievance here. They got what they wanted in full prorated salaries and spent days considering it before rejecting that anyways.

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Then the owners should have considered that. It isn't the players responsibility to give the owners a mulligan because they and their lawyers didn't consider consider something.

The owners tried to force the players to give them a do over and additional items and they were only willing to give the players what had already been agreed to in March. There was no reason the players should have said yes.

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I’ve seen the audited financials of several pro sports teams through the course of my employment. There is nothing in there of special note. They have a listing of contractual obligations (i.e. long term contracts), there are typical non cash charges for depreciation and amortization from fixed assets, and then a pretty standard income statement.

It will vary by team, but many of these guys have revenue streams outside the bounds of the club. However, as I listed earlier, the Braves are public and have extensive disclosure about their operations. It includes the stadium and surrounding retail. Nothing to salivate over. They don’t make the money you think. The gains on these teams are mostly capital when they sell, not recurring each year.

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It was considered. That's why there was language in there about it.

It cost the players a lot of money to not say yes.

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There was no language that had the deal being void if there were no fans.

The owners weren't trying to do the players a favor otherwise a 15% increase in games wouldn't have pissed them off. The players will get somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 games now without giving the owners anything else. Why would they accept 60 games with no added concessions from the owners? It would have been dumb.

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There seems to be.
https://www.amny.com/sports/here-are-the-terms-mlb-mlbpa-agreed-on-for-2020-return/


The owners gave other things with the 60 games. The owners were giving playoff money, salary advance forgiveness, and other player benefits.

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The only thing more annoying than no baseball is Rick continuing to lick the boots of owners and management every chance he gets. What a crock.

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The owners arbitrarily limited the number of games played. It's not the players' problem that it may not be profitable for them to play the number of games they contracted to play.

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Says the guy who spent months on here talking about how this pandemic was going to destroy the economy and yet business owners who are reliant on fans being in the stadium to pay the bills should just deal with losing huge money with no concessions from the millionaires on the other side.

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That's exactly backward. The owners have never shared revenue in good times and now they want the players to share the downside.

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The season is set to start around July 24th. I believe the plan was to do 60 games in 70 days. That ends the regular season on October 2nd.

Where is the arbitrary limit on the number of games? Should the playoffs start in December?

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If you're so sure they won't win the grievance why worry about that?

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Sell. Many takers. Every owner the Miami Marlins ever had have zero regrets.

They could be playing right now. They owners want revenue sharing in this bad time when they have refused it in the good times.

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That language clearly didn't void the deal or we wouldn't be where we are.

The owners offering the players things that weren't sufficient and telling them to take it or leave it isn't exactly making concessions or negotiating in good faith. The players had the leverage and they used it. Kudos to them!

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Are you asking why owners of a billion dollar business would want to avoid the potential of a publicly embarrassing billion dollar grievance in a sport that is already struggling even if it's only a small chance?

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I think it did, and that's why they were negotiating.

The owners made multiple proposals, and even came to an unofficial agreement with the union head that was also rejected.

The 60 game proposal clearly was in good faith.

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I'm saying the owners are well aware that there is a good chance they may lose.

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If it was the owners would have said as much.

If 60 games was in good faith then 65 shouldn't have been too much of an ask. The players will essentially get 60 games and their prorated salary now. They're giving up nothing additional for that.

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Businesses settle all the time.

Look at your logic this way. You are arguing that MLB, by negotiating with the MLBPA, is actually worried that they will lose a grievance about not negotiating fairly with the MLBPA. You are holding it against MLB that they tried to come to a mutually acceptable agreement with the union.

Not to mention that there is already talk about the players refusing to report.

It would have been great for owners, players, and fans if there was an agreement rather than where they are now.

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They are giving up more playoff money, forgiveness on part of the salary advance they already got, and things about qualifying offers.

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