I'm saying Miggy won 3 categories. There are a LOT more categories/statistics that also matter. When you add up ALL of the categories, including the 3 Miggy won, Trout was better.

You're getting to the crux of things with this post. I don't believe you can break out a single player's value via a neat formula. I understand the attempt at equalizing everything. I just don't think it's necessarily very accurate. Besides that, there are so many complicated variables like parks, pitchers faced, you're never going to get an "apples to apples" comparison but it seems as if it's popular to simply attack RBI opportunites as inequitable rather than anything of the other hundreds of things that aren't par for separate players.

Does that make sense?

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Trout's team won more games.

In a much tougher division.

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It is impossible to get apples to apples, agree. That is precisely why WAR is a great tool. It's awesome at that. It takes in to account a LOT of that. Not all. Not the be all end all. But it does a lot. Every pitch, every play, taking into account a lot of variables. Again, not perfect, but an awesome tool for just what you are talking about.

No, it's not. That's why Mark Reynolds is my MVP. He straight carried Baltimore, broski. Totes.

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I was wrong. Again, we can all Google everything. Let's get together in a room without open books and I'll stack my shit up against anyone when it comes to baseball.

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When you consider ALL categories that matter, Trout had a better year. The point is, even though he did not have a better year in the big 3, he had a better year when you look at ALL of the categories that matter. I just don't know how else to say it.

This thread sounds like the waiting room outside the CTE clinic.

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Do you really think Rick Reuschel was the 32nd best pitcher of all-time or whatever WAR suggests he is? (I'm not looking it up, but I know he's up there.) WAR also punishes a guy like Nellie Fox. It's not usually a mystery who the best players are. There isn't some guy you thought was a stiff who is really great.

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I have no idea. But instead of me guessing, I can look at a system that takes in to account a lot more information than I ever could. Is the system perfect? No. But it accounts a lot more than what some average guy on the street can remember about something like this.

Yowza

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What did he say that was shocking?

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The Angels had a better season than the Tigers if you look at it in a vacuum. UnFortunately for them, the Tigers were in a terrible division and the Angels were in the 2nd best in baseball.

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Statistically speaking, Trout was better than Cabrera. Let's even call hitting a wash (even though Trout was statistically better). Trout dominates Miggy on the base paths on on defense. He was just way more valuable. He helped his team SO much more than Cabrera did. He actually helped his team win more baseball games, outside of a vacuum.

To give Miggy credit for playing in a bad division on a worse team, is crazy.

The Angels were 6-14 before Trout was called up and a major league best 83-58 after he was called up.

His team won the division. He won the triple crown. How has the team failed?

You would take away Andre Dawson's MVP then?

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What?

Trout's a better player on a better team. If he were on the Tigers, they would have won more games. MVP.

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I'm arguing who should win MVP, I'd bet the house that Cabrera wins it.

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Team didn't fail. It's just exposing the team wins thought process as a bogus one, and one that favors Trout, not Cabrera.


And no, I want Trout to win. So I would obviously be ok with Dawson winning.

I was asking IMU cuz that really confused me...


I think even if the Sox won the division, Angels made the playoffs, and Miggy won the triple crown, MVP still goes to Miggy.

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You're ok with it even though Jack Clark's year blew his doors off??

Which is fine. He obviously had an amazing season. They both are deserving. Just the team argument is profoundly wrong.

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Well no, didn't think of that... I don't know much about the situation, I was 3. Just saying he doesn't hypothetically deserve for the award to be taken away because the Cubs didn't make the playoffs.

If anything, Miggy gets an extra nod not because his team made the playoffs, but in crunch time of August and September he was on an absolute tear; .338, 19 HR, 54 RBI since August 1st.

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I don't get how he gets anything for his team making the playoffs.

Look at the numbers he put up in the midst of a pennant race and while being asked about the triple crown daily.

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And yet, his entire season wasn't as impressive as Trout's. Which is what the award is based on.

In this day and age, winning the triple crown is about as impressive as one can get with the bat. That's not a knock against Trout by any means. Kid had an awesome year and seems to be in line for one hellava career.

Miggy was better this year.

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