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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Ichiro to pass Rose, or maybe not... |
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/16198 ... its-record Ichiro Suzuki is about to become the all-time hits leader. Or is he? Pete Rose doesn't think so. Ichiro has 2,977 Major League Baseball hits to go along with his 1,278 hits in nine seasons in Japan. Add them up and the Miami Marlins outfielder is one hit shy of tying Rose's major league record of 4,256 hits. "It sounds like in Japan, they're trying to make me the Hit Queen," Rose told USA Today Sports. "I'm not trying to take anything away from Ichiro -- he's had a Hall of Fame career -- but the next thing you know, they'll be counting his high school hits. "I don't think you're going to find anybody with credibility say that Japanese baseball is equivalent to Major League Baseball. There are too many guys that fail here and then become household names there, like Tuffy Rhodes. How can he not do anything here and hit [a record-tying] 55 home runs [in 2001] over there? It has something to do with the caliber of personnel.'' Love that Rose was able to work in a Tuffy Rhodes reference. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:49 am ] |
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I hate Rose, but in this case he's right. Japanese baseball is not the big leagues. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:03 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I hate Rose, but in this case he's right. Japanese baseball is not the big leagues. He would have done the same here. He was that good |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:04 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I hate Rose, but in this case he's right. Japanese baseball is not the big leagues. Sorry, but Ichiro total hits is not more impressive than Rose's all MLB hit total. Ichiro getting to 3k MLB hits when he began his MLB career at age 27 is to me way more impressive than his combined hit total. BTW, what are the odds Pete Rose put a futures bet on Ichiro's final hit total 6+ years ago? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:10 pm ] |
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nobody cares about baseball anyway |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:10 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I hate Rose, but in this case he's right. Japanese baseball is not the big leagues. He would have done the same here. He was that good Perhaps, but he didn't. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:11 pm ] |
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pete rose was a way better hitter anyway. who cares? |
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| Author: | Hockey Gay [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:13 pm ] |
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Best hitter of a generation but no, this doesn't count. Rose is right and people should stop mentioning this as if it were a legit thing. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:27 pm ] |
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Hockey Gay wrote: Best hitter of a generation but no, this doesn't count. Rose is right and people should stop mentioning this as if it were a legit thing. I think it's fair to mention it. Ichiro dominated MLB on Day1. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:30 pm ] |
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top ten in OPS once. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:39 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I hate Rose, but in this case he's right. Japanese baseball is not the big leagues. He would have done the same here. He was that good Perhaps, but he didn't. If that's the case, give Griffey the HR record. Without injuries, it would have been his. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:46 pm ] |
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redskingreg wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I hate Rose, but in this case he's right. Japanese baseball is not the big leagues. He would have done the same here. He was that good Perhaps, but he didn't. If that's the case, give Griffey the HR record. Without injuries, it would have been his. I'm sure that's the same. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:47 pm ] |
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Good. Thanks, Nas.
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:49 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: top ten in OPS once. He was a slap hitter |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:49 pm ] |
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redskingreg wrote: Good. Thanks, Nas. Anytime |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:49 pm ] |
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Henry Burris > Jay Cutler |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:04 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Hatchetman wrote: top ten in OPS once. He was a slap hitter Yeah, he's like Matty Alou. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:41 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: Hatchetman wrote: top ten in OPS once. He was a slap hitter Yeah, he's like Matty Alou. I was thinking a better Scotty Pods. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:51 pm ] |
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This is idiotic. It isnt a debate and that isnt an insult to Ichiro either. Maybe he could have been if he started younger. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. (Maybe not anymore in this country though...  )
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:33 pm ] |
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redskingreg wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I hate Rose, but in this case he's right. Japanese baseball is not the big leagues. He would have done the same here. He was that good Perhaps, but he didn't. If that's the case, give Griffey the HR record. Without injuries, it would have been his. see Davis, Eric. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:33 pm ] |
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He played better here. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:44 pm ] |
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Ventura has the hit streak record at 58.....get a fuckin grip |
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| Author: | Psycory [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:49 pm ] |
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Just add in Pete Rose's minor league stats. I'm sure that would give him another 300 hits or so. |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:04 pm ] |
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427 minor league hits. Ichiro can play 3 more years and reach that and then we can have this discussion again. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:14 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I hate Rose, but in this case he's right. Japanese baseball is not the big leagues. Could have just ended the thread here. Even discussing the Japanese hits is just dumb internet/sports talk fodder. |
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| Author: | THE INQUISITOR [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:26 pm ] |
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Japanese baseball is AA at best. Yes there are a few good pitchers... Nomo, Kuroda, Darvish and some relivers Shingo and Koji Uehara. But come on look at what guys like Tuffy Rhodes and Matt Murton did once they got to Japan. Rose is the hit king . |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:27 pm ] |
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Julio Franco is 58 and still playing in Japan. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:15 pm ] |
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Ichiro has better numbers in America. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:29 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: Best hitter of a generation but no, this doesn't count. Rose is right and people should stop mentioning this as if it were a legit thing. I think it's fair to mention it. Ichiro dominated MLB on Day1. You can mention it in the context of "gee I wonder", but to equate the two is patently false and completely nonsensical. There is no other logical, not to mention objective, side to this. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:06 pm ] |
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Don Tiny wrote: Nas wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: Best hitter of a generation but no, this doesn't count. Rose is right and people should stop mentioning this as if it were a legit thing. I think it's fair to mention it. Ichiro dominated MLB on Day1. You can mention it in the context of "gee I wonder", but to equate the two is patently false and completely nonsensical. There is no other logical, not to mention objective, side to this. That's what I did. Everyone else appears to be saying NO WAY. |
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