Title says it all. Allowed Trevor Williams, with a losing record and almost 5.00 ERA, to keep up with him. Couldn't even get his team a win against the Pirates.

Same outcome as John Lackey yesterday.

Bad.

Don't clown yourself. Trevor Williams faced a team with a .720 winning percentage that has scored 100 more runs than his own team. Are you saying he didn't pitch well?

RICH HILL PITCHED WORSE THAN JOHN LACKEY. UNBELIEVABLE!!!

No he didn't pitch well. He didn't get a win.

Hill's performance and Lackey's are completely unrelated. It's like saying the guy bagging groceries at Mariano's did his job better than you did today.

No he didn't pitch well. He didn't get a win.

Read your post a few times. Then walk away for 5 minutes, and think about it. Then come back and reply again.

I don't know why IMU does this to himself. He's quite the masochist

Did Trevor Williams pitch better than Rich Hill?

No need. Lackey and Hill pitched in different games on opposite sides of the country. There's a terrible thought in every one of your posts in this thread. Where was poor Trevor's run support?

So I can't compare the quality of my cooking to the meals of top chefs since we aren't in the same kitchen using the same ingredients?

We might as well throw out all season end awards now as well. How can you decide who wins Cy Young? The top 3 candidates may never have faced each other the entire season?

Nonsense. Win/Loss is not meaningful within a single game sample size and this game proves that.

how Hill pitched.

Not well. He lost. He didn't do his job.

No shit. But the other side of that- and the reason I posted the other topic- is to illustrate how goddamn dumb the concept of "run support" or a lack thereof actually is. Saying that Trevor Williams lacked run support completely ignores how Hill pitched.

I guess strikeouts and home runs are important for a pitcher until they aren't.

wut

I don't know what you're babbling about this morning, and I don't really want to find out.

BABIP is likely even more important when evaluating pitchers because they have almost no control over what happens to a ball once it is put in play. A pitcher can control their strikeouts, walks, and home runs, and through those, the number of balls they allow to be put into play, but once the ball leaves the bat, it’s out of their hands. As a result, pitcher BABIP is heavily influenced by defense and luck, which means the number of hits a pitcher gives up is influenced by things outside of their control. And if hits are somewhat outside of a pitcher’s control, so will their runs allowed totals.

It's the thought behind BABIP, though I should have included walks but those walks in that game weren't damaging to the opposing team.

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/babip/

Hill had a PERFECT GAME taken away because he received no run support. He could not have performed any better then he did for the 9 inning game.